I'd like to try and get Derek Carr

jnormand · 03-02-2023, 09:04 AM

Oh geez. The real question is how much are they gonna pay him to attempt to save Allen’s job. I hope Carr can play safety, offensive line, LB and WR because if they gave him too much money, we won’t have the money to sign people to those positions. Unless we hit every single pick in the draft. Which has never happened. For any team. Ever.

AsylumGuido · 03-02-2023, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Oh geez. The real question is how much are they gonna pay him to attempt to save Allen’s job. I hope Carr can play safety, offensive line, LB and WR because if they gave him too much money, we won’t have the money to sign people to those positions. Unless we hit every single pick in the draft. Which has never happened. For any team. Ever.

We have the available cap to sign all of those positions. Contracts can be structured with minimal first year cap hits quite easily.

Rugby Saint II · 03-02-2023, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We have the available cap to sign all of those positions. Contracts can be structured with minimal first year cap hits quite easily.

How many times have we had to let good players go because we could not afford to keep them and they balled out when they left? I don't know but it's way too many. The championships were littered with players we couldn't afford to keep because of restructured contracts while we act like a teen ager with dad's credit card. Sometimes you have to pick your poison. I'm no accountant but I do know that all bills eventually have to be paid off. I don't want to move money forward just to lose valuable contributors at the cost of mortgaging the future for some wins now.

The only way out of this scenario seems to be better cap management or cleaning house eventually of bloated contracts to get some relief. The cap goes up annually but our spending seems to be rising even faster and we have barely been treading water for years.

Drew is gone and so is Sean and yet we are still playing the shell game as if they were both here. If Derek Carr is the chosen one and leads the Saints to the playoffs every year then we can keep kicking the can down the road. If not, then there is likely a harsh rebuild in the immediate future.

AsylumGuido · 03-02-2023, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

How many times have we had to let good players go because we could not afford to keep them and they balled out when they left? I don't know but it's way too many. The championships were littered with players we couldn't afford to keep because of restructured contracts while we act like a teen ager with dad's credit card. Sometimes you have to pick your poison. I'm no accountant but I do know that all bills eventually have to be paid off. I don't want to move money forward just to lose valuable contributors at the cost of mortgaging the future for some wins now.

The only way out of this scenario seems to be better cap management or cleaning house eventually of bloated contracts to get some relief. The cap goes up annually but our spending seems to be rising even faster and we have barely been treading water for years.

Drew is gone and so is Sean and yet we are still playing the shell game as if they were both here. If Derek Carr is the chosen one and leads the Saints to the playoffs every year then we can keep kicking the can down the road. If not, then there is likely a harsh rebuild in the immediate future.

We have not let players go because we could not pay them. We have, however, chosen to not pay them what they were demanding. That's a huge difference. Name a single player that left because we could not pay them. I can show you that we had the cap available in every case. All NFL teams let players go when the player wants more than the team is willing to pay. That's not a Saints thing. That's the case with all 32 teams in the league.

As for not being an accountant, that's what my degree is in, Accounting. That's why I am so much into the cap management. We have the cap, it is simply how it is being accounted that some cannot fathom, it appears.

I repeat, the cap is going to be in excess of $300 million before the end of this decade. Given the latest deals that is a given. Also by the end of this decade it's likely almost every team in the league will have adopted this same method of cap management technique.

AsylumGuido · 03-02-2023, 07:23 PM

AsylumGuido · 03-03-2023, 09:12 AM

Within a couple of years $35 million for a quality starting QB is going to be a steal.

A five year deal at $35 million average would be great. A vet minimum of $1.165 million first year and a $34 million signing bonus would work out to a 2023 cap hit of $7.965 million and should leave us about $20 million open cap for further free agency. Carr would go for that as he would have over $35 million in his pocket year one.

Mr.Riaton · 03-03-2023, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Within a couple of years $35 million for a quality starting QB is going to be a steal.

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...68921953574912

A five year deal at $35 million average would be great. A vet minimum of $1.165 million first year and a $34 million signing bonus would work out to a 2023 cap hit of $7.965 million and should leave us about $20 million open cap for further free agency. Carr would go for that as he would have over $35 million in his pocket year one.

If this is accurate, then I’m good with going for Carr…especially if we can have that much cap available to spend afterwards. Then we could spend in FA including retaining our own valuable FAs. If we hit well in the draft on top of that I’ll be a happy camper. Ultimately I want to fill out this roster with quality players, and if we can do that and get Carr also, then great.

03-02-2023, 09:04 AM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,795	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Oh geez. The real question is how much are they gonna pay him to attempt to save Allen’s job. I hope Carr can play safety, offensive line, LB and WR because if they gave him too much money, we won’t have the money to sign people to those positions. Unless we hit every single pick in the draft. Which has never happened. For any team. Ever.

03-02-2023, 09:26 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by jnormand Oh geez. The real question is how much are they gonna pay him to attempt to save Allen’s job. I hope Carr can play safety, offensive line, LB and WR because if they gave him too much money, we won’t have the money to sign people to those positions. Unless we hit every single pick in the draft. Which has never happened. For any team. Ever. We have the available cap to sign all of those positions. Contracts can be structured with minimal first year cap hits quite easily.

03-02-2023, 02:13 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,203	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We have the available cap to sign all of those positions. Contracts can be structured with minimal first year cap hits quite easily. How many times have we had to let good players go because we could not afford to keep them and they balled out when they left? I don't know but it's way too many. The championships were littered with players we couldn't afford to keep because of restructured contracts while we act like a teen ager with dad's credit card. Sometimes you have to pick your poison. I'm no accountant but I do know that all bills eventually have to be paid off. I don't want to move money forward just to lose valuable contributors at the cost of mortgaging the future for some wins now. The only way out of this scenario seems to be better cap management or cleaning house eventually of bloated contracts to get some relief. The cap goes up annually but our spending seems to be rising even faster and we have barely been treading water for years. Drew is gone and so is Sean and yet we are still playing the shell game as if they were both here. If Derek Carr is the chosen one and leads the Saints to the playoffs every year then we can keep kicking the can down the road. If not, then there is likely a harsh rebuild in the immediate future.
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03-02-2023, 04:11 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II How many times have we had to let good players go because we could not afford to keep them and they balled out when they left? I don't know but it's way too many. The championships were littered with players we couldn't afford to keep because of restructured contracts while we act like a teen ager with dad's credit card. Sometimes you have to pick your poison. I'm no accountant but I do know that all bills eventually have to be paid off. I don't want to move money forward just to lose valuable contributors at the cost of mortgaging the future for some wins now. The only way out of this scenario seems to be better cap management or cleaning house eventually of bloated contracts to get some relief. The cap goes up annually but our spending seems to be rising even faster and we have barely been treading water for years. Drew is gone and so is Sean and yet we are still playing the shell game as if they were both here. If Derek Carr is the chosen one and leads the Saints to the playoffs every year then we can keep kicking the can down the road. If not, then there is likely a harsh rebuild in the immediate future. We have not let players go because we could not pay them. We have, however, chosen to not pay them what they were demanding. That's a huge difference. Name a single player that left because we could not pay them. I can show you that we had the cap available in every case. All NFL teams let players go when the player wants more than the team is willing to pay. That's not a Saints thing. That's the case with all 32 teams in the league. As for not being an accountant, that's what my degree is in, Accounting. That's why I am so much into the cap management. We have the cap, it is simply how it is being accounted that some cannot fathom, it appears. I repeat, the cap is going to be in excess of $300 million before the end of this decade. Given the latest deals that is a given. Also by the end of this decade it's likely almost every team in the league will have adopted this same method of cap management technique.
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03-02-2023, 07:23 PM	#5
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03-03-2023, 09:12 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Within a couple of years $35 million for a quality starting QB is going to be a steal. Twitter A five year deal at $35 million average would be great. A vet minimum of $1.165 million first year and a $34 million signing bonus would work out to a 2023 cap hit of $7.965 million and should leave us about $20 million open cap for further free agency. Carr would go for that as he would have over $35 million in his pocket year one.

03-03-2023, 08:26 PM	#7
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Within a couple of years $35 million for a quality starting QB is going to be a steal. https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...68921953574912 A five year deal at $35 million average would be great. A vet minimum of $1.165 million first year and a $34 million signing bonus would work out to a 2023 cap hit of $7.965 million and should leave us about $20 million open cap for further free agency. Carr would go for that as he would have over $35 million in his pocket year one. If this is accurate, then I’m good with going for Carr…especially if we can have that much cap available to spend afterwards. Then we could spend in FA including retaining our own valuable FAs. If we hit well in the draft on top of that I’ll be a happy camper. Ultimately I want to fill out this roster with quality players, and if we can do that and get Carr also, then great.