Russell Wilson

AsylumGuido · 02-25-2021, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

IMO Russ has at least 4 years left of ELITE QB play with weapons around him & an above average O line.

Consider our last few 1st rounders were Davenport & Ruiz. Would you not be willing to give that up for 4+ years of elite QB play?

In other words, is 2 or 3 1st rounders worth another trophy on the mantle?

Thoughts, comments ?

I'd much rather have a proven commodity over picks, but then again I'm not a huge draft groupie so there's that.

jeanpierre · 02-25-2021, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'd much rather have a proven commodity over picks, but then again I'm not a huge draft groupie so there's that.

Get it, you're just into old guys...

AsylumGuido · 02-25-2021, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Get it, you're just into old guys...

Nope. Not really. I like the young ones that turn out good. But, I'll take a proven player over draft picks any day given the vast majority of drafted players have very minimal impact on a whole. Yes, there can be a remarkable draft class by a team here or there, but that is the exception rather than the rule.

gosaints1 · 02-25-2021, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

...given the vast majority of drafted players have very minimal impact on a whole...

What? The vast majority of NFL starters were... “drafted” by some team, in some year, and at some selective draft position. The can’t have a “minimal impact on a whole”. Overwhelmingly, they ARE the NFL, the starters for sure. Undrafted players are the exception. I truly don’t get what you are trying to say here.

AsylumGuido · 02-25-2021, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

What? The vast majority of NFL starters were... “drafted” by some team, in some year, and at some selective draft position. The can’t have a “minimal impact on a whole”. Overwhelmingly, they ARE the NFL, the starters for sure. Undrafted players are the exception. I truly don’t get what you are trying to say here.

D'uh! That's a given. Everyone acknowledges that. You completely missed my point. The vast majority of NFL starters were drafted. But, they most likely all make up only around 10% of ALL players drafted over their years in the league ... if that many. The vast majority of drafted players either never make the team (or league) or do not go on to have more than a minimal impact. That's point I was trying to make.

The Dude · 02-26-2021, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nope. Not really. I like the young ones that turn out good. But, I'll take a proven player over draft picks any day given the vast majority of drafted players have very minimal impact on a whole. Yes, there can be a remarkable draft class by a team here or there, but that is the exception rather than the rule.

You like young guys who have been turned out good?

AsylumGuido · 02-26-2021, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

You like young guys who have been turned out good?

As starters or quality backups, yes. But they are few and far between to fill out a quality roster. It will always take a majority of veterans leading the way on successful teams. Those will have to come through free agency at least in part.

jeanpierre · 02-26-2021, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nope. Not really. I like the young ones that turn out good. But, I'll take a proven player over draft picks any day given the vast majority of drafted players have very minimal impact on a whole. Yes, there can be a remarkable draft class by a team here or there, but that is the exception rather than the rule.

Some teams draft better than others, depends on the staff and coaches who'll listen...

AsylumGuido · 02-26-2021, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Some teams draft better than others, depends on the staff and coaches who'll listen...

Yes they do, but their success in drafting is still consisting of far more misses than hits over time. THAT is the nature of the beast. I'll give you that there are outlier years where the majority of picks turn out well.

02-25-2021, 12:17 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Russell Wilson Originally Posted by K Major IMO Russ has at least 4 years left of ELITE QB play with weapons around him & an above average O line. Consider our last few 1st rounders were Davenport & Ruiz. Would you not be willing to give that up for 4+ years of elite QB play? In other words, is 2 or 3 1st rounders worth another trophy on the mantle? Thoughts, comments ? I'd much rather have a proven commodity over picks, but then again I'm not a huge draft groupie so there's that.

02-25-2021, 01:41 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Russell Wilson Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'd much rather have a proven commodity over picks, but then again I'm not a huge draft groupie so there's that. Get it, you're just into old guys... The Dude likes this.

02-25-2021, 03:56 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Russell Wilson Originally Posted by jeanpierre Get it, you're just into old guys... Nope. Not really. I like the young ones that turn out good. But, I'll take a proven player over draft picks any day given the vast majority of drafted players have very minimal impact on a whole. Yes, there can be a remarkable draft class by a team here or there, but that is the exception rather than the rule. jeanpierre likes this.

02-25-2021, 04:15 PM	#4
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Russell Wilson Originally Posted by AsylumGuido ...given the vast majority of drafted players have very minimal impact on a whole... What? The vast majority of NFL starters were... “drafted” by some team, in some year, and at some selective draft position. The can’t have a “minimal impact on a whole”. Overwhelmingly, they ARE the NFL, the starters for sure. Undrafted players are the exception. I truly don’t get what you are trying to say here.
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02-25-2021, 04:30 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Russell Wilson Originally Posted by gosaints1 What? The vast majority of NFL starters were... “drafted” by some team, in some year, and at some selective draft position. The can’t have a “minimal impact on a whole”. Overwhelmingly, they ARE the NFL, the starters for sure. Undrafted players are the exception. I truly don’t get what you are trying to say here. D'uh! That's a given. Everyone acknowledges that. You completely missed my point. The vast majority of NFL starters were drafted. But, they most likely all make up only around 10% of ALL players drafted over their years in the league ... if that many. The vast majority of drafted players either never make the team (or league) or do not go on to have more than a minimal impact. That's point I was trying to make.

02-26-2021, 08:58 AM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Russell Wilson Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nope. Not really. I like the young ones that turn out good. But, I'll take a proven player over draft picks any day given the vast majority of drafted players have very minimal impact on a whole. Yes, there can be a remarkable draft class by a team here or there, but that is the exception rather than the rule. You like young guys who have been turned out good?
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02-26-2021, 09:02 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Russell Wilson Originally Posted by The Dude You like young guys who have been turned out good? As starters or quality backups, yes. But they are few and far between to fill out a quality roster. It will always take a majority of veterans leading the way on successful teams. Those will have to come through free agency at least in part.

02-26-2021, 10:59 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Russell Wilson Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nope. Not really. I like the young ones that turn out good. But, I'll take a proven player over draft picks any day given the vast majority of drafted players have very minimal impact on a whole. Yes, there can be a remarkable draft class by a team here or there, but that is the exception rather than the rule. Some teams draft better than others, depends on the staff and coaches who'll listen... gosaints1 and K Major like this.

02-26-2021, 12:27 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Russell Wilson Originally Posted by jeanpierre Some teams draft better than others, depends on the staff and coaches who'll listen... Yes they do, but their success in drafting is still consisting of far more misses than hits over time. THAT is the nature of the beast. I'll give you that there are outlier years where the majority of picks turn out well.

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