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I’m going to start by saying I really like the player and I want him on the team. That being said I’m throwing a thought out there for discussion sake knowing the team needs to get under the Cap.

He (according to Spotrac) is due about 8.5 million over the next two years with a dead cap amount of about 2.4 million. Is it worth releasing him to save that money and get a backup RB late in the draft or an undrafted rookie or a free agent RB ? Just a topic for discussion.

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Agreed. I wish Murray was used more. He was a chain mover. He would've been a good 1-2 punch with Kamara. But if we didn't hand the ball off to AK, then Sean wanted to throw it.

I want him here, but holy smokes, use him! He shouldn't be sitting on a shelve spelling AK 5 or 6 snaps a game.

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Yes. Due to the Saints cap limitations, opt to the draft for younger, cheaper production.

No fault of Murray though. He's been very, very good in New Orleans. Simply under utilized in SP system.

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IDK folks, the 2022 cap hits just aren’t as important to me now, not bc they aren’t of value to look at, but because currently we are in a “holy smokes, what are we gonna do now” situation. His 2021 cap is 4.187M, and the best we could do would be a post Jun 1st cut, which means $850k in dead money and a cap savings of only 3.375M. I get it that every bit helps, but the Saints have to address the folks at the top of the list, the 8 digit guys first; Cameron Jordan, Terron Armstead, Kwon, Jackrabbit, Taysom Hill!! That Peat contract is a bad one for the team, not just the money but the way it is counted, great goobly moobly is it bad. For better or worse, we’re connected to him this 2021 season. My preference would be to keep both Murray and Burton, they are both excellent pass catching backs, and teams just don’t find those guys lying around, imho.

Edit: Added the following link.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

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Good points.

But if they say, get 2 mill or so relief each from cutting say Murray, Lutz, Morestead and Sanders don’t you have to consider it ?

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Depends on pre 6/1 or post 6/1. For example, Cam Jordan has a 2021 cap amount of $18.9M, cutting him pre 6/1 would be dead money of $16.9M and a cap savings of 2.0M. Arguably..., not worth it, right? Change the cut to post 6/1 and his cap hit while still being 18.9M is now only 5M in dead money and a cap savings of $13.9M. Same for E.Sanders and D.Onyemata at 6M and 7.5M respectively, post 6/1.

It’s a fairly well built team though jp, regardless of who is under center..., so all those cuts are going to hurt to a certain degree. And it’s EXACTLY why your argument of “we need draft picks” is more critical now than anytime in recent memory. If we draft replacements well, this team can continue being in the discussion as a contender..., but if we either don’t have the picks or draft replacements poorly, then this team could go into “rebuilding” mode very quickly.

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And AK could definitely use the break. Less of AK is more IMO.

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And without a geriatric Qb it won’t hurt so bad if our oline takes a small step back for a year.

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Not to mention, Armstead has been a frequent IR club member. I'd be on board with trading him for a number 1. We'd kill a couple of birds in cap relief and additional draft capital.

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It's a business and no more than Sean used him it's just not worth the cost.

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If we're downgrading at QB (which we almost certainly are) then IMO it's better to keep better skill position players so we can to make up for it. Make our CAP cuts else where or extend or restructure him to make him more CAP friendly if that's possible. $0.02

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Agreed but he’s not a Payton toy(draft pick) so he’s has to cut a better deal or he’s a goner. He’ll get a rookie and a has been on the roster.


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Prolly AP


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Quon has to be released I’m hearing he wouldn’t be 100% till half a season or more. Draft Draft draft we have to hit.


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Considering they don’t have a lot of draft picks, I’d say it’s UDFA UDFA we have to hit.

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Really don't think we want to see Winston as QB throwing on the run and under pressure

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Ruiz needs to continue with building more muscle mass this off season. He was bullied quite a bit.

I hope Easton calls it a career. 3 concussions in a season is not good for his overall quality of life after football.

Not a popular name on the O line but I hope we find a way to re sign James Hurst. He's a versatile lineman who played well in relief.

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I find it...interesting the attitude and comments about Brees and him being too old to get it done. The game before he got hurt, the second TB game he looked just fine throwing for 4 TDS to 4 different receivers. Next week he gets hurt against SF and he isn’t the same for the rest of the year. And I still maintain that had Jared Cook not had the f’d-up plays he did the Saints win the playoff game and probably make the SB. If Brees is as healthy as he was before he broke ribs against the Niners, then I’d gladly take him back for another year.

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Why is the length of the TD pass make it more impactful? It’s still 6 points. People complained that Hill has no touch. Well, Brees does and always will.

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Look at it this way JP..they beat the eventual SB champs 38-3 at their house. Saints punted once in that game. Near 50/50 split run to pass on play calls. Brees had 270 yards 4 TDs through the air. Sorry if I don’t buy into the narrative of a “geriatric” QB who couldn’t get it done.

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Except I don’t think that Brees weak arm was the reason we lost the last few years in the playoffs. Rodgers and Mahomes don’t have weak arms and they couldn’t beat Tampa either.

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I want Murray back. Hopefully, at a reduced rate. We just need to give him the ball more and let him earn his paycheck. He is the perfect compliment to Kamara with power and deceptive speed. He can take over a game if Sean would let him. He's proven that he is capable but Payton wants the ball in Kamara's hands every play no matter how badly banged up he is.

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You have a point. Tampa's defense went next level the last 6 games of the season (including playoffs and SB) D-line and secondary especially.

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A post june 1 trade of Alvin Kamara would also save $2 million against the cap, offer much better long term savings, and more return. The Saints resigned Kamara to make one last run with Brees but it didnt work out and they probably can't win it all with a wrecked salary cap and Brees retiring, so a long term investment in the most expensive 3rd down back in NFL history, great as he is, may not be wise.

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Exactly, not difficult to do against us. It's been done in 3 straight playoff exits since 2018.

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It's the same with Thomas, Armstead, Cameron but it doesn't really help as they can't be traded for 2020 picks as far as I'm aware. And the teams needs to be under the cap before then from what I've been reading.

Only way a trade helps is if the plan is tank

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Does not compute. Kamara's cap hit this year is $5M. Even if traded after June 1, the cap hit for the next two years would accelerate to $15M each year of 2021 and 2022.

The Saints cannot afford to do anything with Kamara until likely after 2023.

SFIAH

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The cap is so overrated I think, watch Mickey do his magic.


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If it was that simple other teams would do it more often in the regular season and they would not have won the division this many times in a row.

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That doesn't really explain how they also beat Greenbay and KC, two of the stronger armed QB's as well.

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I’ll say it again...Tampa had 3 quality WRs and a HOF TE. Plus a good 1-2 RB punch. Brees was throwing to an injured Thomas and Sanders plus a TE that fumbled and dropped 2 passes. If Hill or Harris is available to add a little relief, Saints win. Saints not being able to convert in red zone wasn’t because he had a noodle arm...it’s because he didn’t have the necessary weapons (Hill and Murray) to punch it in. Writing it off as a lack of Brees arm strength is using him as scapegoat.

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Amen, my brother! Amen!

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Murray is great in New Orleans in his role as a banger back. I hope he stays. He seems like a team first guy. Maybe he'll take a reduction to stay in New Orleans. Or he could chase the money and end up somewhere like Detroit.