Latavius Murray

Boston Saint · 02-18-2021, 08:19 AM

I’m going to start by saying I really like the player and I want him on the team. That being said I’m throwing a thought out there for discussion sake knowing the team needs to get under the Cap.

He (according to Spotrac) is due about 8.5 million over the next two years with a dead cap amount of about 2.4 million. Is it worth releasing him to save that money and get a backup RB late in the draft or an undrafted rookie or a free agent RB ? Just a topic for discussion.

jeanpierre · 02-18-2021, 08:52 AM

He's too expensive a cap number if you're not going to use him...

And I'm more than on record that he wasn't being used enough...

jnormand · 02-18-2021, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

He's too expensive a cap number if you're not going to use him...

And I'm more than on record that he wasn't being used enough...

Agreed. I wish Murray was used more. He was a chain mover. He would've been a good 1-2 punch with Kamara. But if we didn't hand the ball off to AK, then Sean wanted to throw it.

I want him here, but holy smokes, use him! He shouldn't be sitting on a shelve spelling AK 5 or 6 snaps a game.

K Major · 02-18-2021, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Is it worth releasing him to save that money and get a backup RB late in the draft or an undrafted rookie or a free agent RB ?

Yes. Due to the Saints cap limitations, opt to the draft for younger, cheaper production.

No fault of Murray though. He's been very, very good in New Orleans. Simply under utilized in SP system.

gosaints1 · 02-18-2021, 11:00 AM

IDK folks, the 2022 cap hits just aren’t as important to me now, not bc they aren’t of value to look at, but because currently we are in a “holy smokes, what are we gonna do now” situation. His 2021 cap is 4.187M, and the best we could do would be a post Jun 1st cut, which means $850k in dead money and a cap savings of only 3.375M. I get it that every bit helps, but the Saints have to address the folks at the top of the list, the 8 digit guys first; Cameron Jordan, Terron Armstead, Kwon, Jackrabbit, Taysom Hill!! That Peat contract is a bad one for the team, not just the money but the way it is counted, great goobly moobly is it bad. For better or worse, we’re connected to him this 2021 season. My preference would be to keep both Murray and Burton, they are both excellent pass catching backs, and teams just don’t find those guys lying around, imho.

Edit: Added the following link.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

Boston Saint · 02-18-2021, 11:16 AM

Good points.

But if they say, get 2 mill or so relief each from cutting say Murray, Lutz, Morestead and Sanders don’t you have to consider it ?

jeanpierre · 02-18-2021, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

IDK folks, the 2022 cap hits just aren’t as important to me now, not bc they aren’t of value to look at, but because currently we are in a “holy smokes, what are we gonna do now” situation. His 2021 cap is 4.187M, and the best we could do would be a post Jun 1st cut, which means $850k in dead money and a cap savings of only 3.375M. I get it that every bit helps, but the Saints have to address the folks at the top of the list, the 8 digit guys first; Cameron Jordan, Terron Armstead, Kwon, Jackrabbit, Taysom Hill!! That Peat contract is a bad one for the team, not just the money but the way it is counted, great goobly moobly is it bad. For better or worse, we’re connected to him this 2021 season. My preference would be to keep both Murray and Burton, they are both excellent pass catching backs, and teams just don’t find those guys lying around, imho.

Edit: Added the following link.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent...

It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam...

Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round...

gosaints1 · 02-18-2021, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent...

It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam...

Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round...

Depends on pre 6/1 or post 6/1. For example, Cam Jordan has a 2021 cap amount of $18.9M, cutting him pre 6/1 would be dead money of $16.9M and a cap savings of 2.0M. Arguably..., not worth it, right? Change the cut to post 6/1 and his cap hit while still being 18.9M is now only 5M in dead money and a cap savings of $13.9M. Same for E.Sanders and D.Onyemata at 6M and 7.5M respectively, post 6/1.

It’s a fairly well built team though jp, regardless of who is under center..., so all those cuts are going to hurt to a certain degree. And it’s EXACTLY why your argument of “we need draft picks” is more critical now than anytime in recent memory. If we draft replacements well, this team can continue being in the discussion as a contender..., but if we either don’t have the picks or draft replacements poorly, then this team could go into “rebuilding” mode very quickly.

The Dude · 02-18-2021, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Agreed. I wish Murray was used more. He was a chain mover. He would've been a good 1-2 punch with Kamara. But if we didn't hand the ball off to AK, then Sean wanted to throw it.

I want him here, but holy smokes, use him! He shouldn't be sitting on a shelve spelling AK 5 or 6 snaps a game.

And AK could definitely use the break. Less of AK is more IMO.

The Dude · 02-18-2021, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent...

It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam...

Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round...

And without a geriatric Qb it won’t hurt so bad if our oline takes a small step back for a year.

02-18-2021, 08:19 AM	#1
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Latavius Murray I’m going to start by saying I really like the player and I want him on the team. That being said I’m throwing a thought out there for discussion sake knowing the team needs to get under the Cap. He (according to Spotrac) is due about 8.5 million over the next two years with a dead cap amount of about 2.4 million. Is it worth releasing him to save that money and get a backup RB late in the draft or an undrafted rookie or a free agent RB ? Just a topic for discussion.

02-18-2021, 08:52 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Latavius Murray He's too expensive a cap number if you're not going to use him... And I'm more than on record that he wasn't being used enough... jnormand, leilung, SmashMouth and 6 others like this.

02-18-2021, 10:13 AM	#3
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,530	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre He's too expensive a cap number if you're not going to use him... And I'm more than on record that he wasn't being used enough... Agreed. I wish Murray was used more. He was a chain mover. He would've been a good 1-2 punch with Kamara. But if we didn't hand the ball off to AK, then Sean wanted to throw it. I want him here, but holy smokes, use him! He shouldn't be sitting on a shelve spelling AK 5 or 6 snaps a game. SmashMouth, jeanpierre and st thomas like this.

02-18-2021, 10:19 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by Boston Saint Is it worth releasing him to save that money and get a backup RB late in the draft or an undrafted rookie or a free agent RB ? Yes. Due to the Saints cap limitations, opt to the draft for younger, cheaper production. No fault of Murray though. He's been very, very good in New Orleans. Simply under utilized in SP system. jnormand, RailBoss, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.

02-18-2021, 11:00 AM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Latavius Murray IDK folks, the 2022 cap hits just aren’t as important to me now, not bc they aren’t of value to look at, but because currently we are in a “holy smokes, what are we gonna do now” situation. His 2021 cap is 4.187M, and the best we could do would be a post Jun 1st cut, which means $850k in dead money and a cap savings of only 3.375M. I get it that every bit helps, but the Saints have to address the folks at the top of the list, the 8 digit guys first; Cameron Jordan, Terron Armstead, Kwon, Jackrabbit, Taysom Hill!! That Peat contract is a bad one for the team, not just the money but the way it is counted, great goobly moobly is it bad. For better or worse, we’re connected to him this 2021 season. My preference would be to keep both Murray and Burton, they are both excellent pass catching backs, and teams just don’t find those guys lying around, imho. Edit: Added the following link. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/ jnormand and Boston Saint like this.
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02-18-2021, 11:16 AM	#6
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Latavius Murray Good points. But if they say, get 2 mill or so relief each from cutting say Murray, Lutz, Morestead and Sanders don’t you have to consider it ?

02-18-2021, 11:25 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by gosaints1 IDK folks, the 2022 cap hits just aren’t as important to me now, not bc they aren’t of value to look at, but because currently we are in a “holy smokes, what are we gonna do now” situation. His 2021 cap is 4.187M, and the best we could do would be a post Jun 1st cut, which means $850k in dead money and a cap savings of only 3.375M. I get it that every bit helps, but the Saints have to address the folks at the top of the list, the 8 digit guys first; Cameron Jordan, Terron Armstead, Kwon, Jackrabbit, Taysom Hill!! That Peat contract is a bad one for the team, not just the money but the way it is counted, great goobly moobly is it bad. For better or worse, we’re connected to him this 2021 season. My preference would be to keep both Murray and Burton, they are both excellent pass catching backs, and teams just don’t find those guys lying around, imho. Edit: Added the following link. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/ Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent... It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam... Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round... SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.

02-18-2021, 11:55 AM	#8
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent... It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam... Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round... Depends on pre 6/1 or post 6/1. For example, Cam Jordan has a 2021 cap amount of $18.9M, cutting him pre 6/1 would be dead money of $16.9M and a cap savings of 2.0M. Arguably..., not worth it, right? Change the cut to post 6/1 and his cap hit while still being 18.9M is now only 5M in dead money and a cap savings of $13.9M. Same for E.Sanders and D.Onyemata at 6M and 7.5M respectively, post 6/1. It’s a fairly well built team though jp, regardless of who is under center..., so all those cuts are going to hurt to a certain degree. And it’s EXACTLY why your argument of “we need draft picks” is more critical now than anytime in recent memory. If we draft replacements well, this team can continue being in the discussion as a contender..., but if we either don’t have the picks or draft replacements poorly, then this team could go into “rebuilding” mode very quickly.
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02-18-2021, 12:43 PM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jnormand Agreed. I wish Murray was used more. He was a chain mover. He would've been a good 1-2 punch with Kamara. But if we didn't hand the ball off to AK, then Sean wanted to throw it. I want him here, but holy smokes, use him! He shouldn't be sitting on a shelve spelling AK 5 or 6 snaps a game. And AK could definitely use the break. Less of AK is more IMO. jnormand likes this.
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02-18-2021, 12:45 PM	#10
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent... It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam... Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round... And without a geriatric Qb it won’t hurt so bad if our oline takes a small step back for a year.
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