2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

AsylumGuido · 12-22-2021, 08:54 AM

ChrisXVI · 12-22-2021, 02:39 PM

CJ Gardner-Johnson will be eligible for a new contract after this season… and if you don’t think he’s going to hold out you’re crazy. I think we’re going to have to choose between keeping CJGJ and Marcus Williams.

jeanpierre · 12-22-2021, 03:57 PM

jeanpierre · 12-22-2021, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

CJ Gardner-Johnson will be eligible for a new contract after this season… and if you don’t think he’s going to hold out you’re crazy. I think we’re going to have to choose between keeping CJGJ and Marcus Williams.

Depends on what Gardner's agent tells him his market is; Give Gardner Malcolm Jenkins' cap slot and release Jenkins; Marcus Williams and Marshon Lattimore are your cornerstones...

ChrisXVI · 12-22-2021, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Depends on what Gardner's agent tells him his market is; Give Gardner Malcolm Jenkins' cap slot and release Jenkins; Marcus Williams and Marshon Lattimore are your cornerstones...

Out of curiosity, I took a look at who the highest paid nickel CB’s are and guys like Kenny Moore (Colts), Taron Johnson (Bills) and Tavon Young (Ravens) are being paid around $8.5 mil/year.

I don’t doubt CJGJ will be looking for something like 4yr/$36 million.

FinSaint · 12-22-2021, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Depends on what Gardner's agent tells him his market is; Give Gardner Malcolm Jenkins' cap slot and release Jenkins; Marcus Williams and Marshon Lattimore are your cornerstones...

I'm not sure they can afford to give Williams the long term contract he's looking for nor am I sure that they even should. I mean I know they can, but should they when looking at where they want to place their big contracts within the roster, and the secondary already having Lattimore's contract.

I have nothing against MW, but although he really flashes at times in coverage - he does misread routes, he takes bad angles and he is a sub-par tackler.

I have no doubt he might leave and blossom in another system, and make us all curse the day he left (i.e. Jenkins), but I'd be comfortable in looking at the draft to replace him.

I'd rather keep CJGJ between the two, because I think his skillset is more unique, and his play has more impact on the way the defense plays overall.

Salary cap means you can't keep all the players you would like to without having to make sacrifices in other parts of the roster.

K Major · 12-22-2021, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...04227682766865

Add Adam Trautman to the Covid list as well.

https://www.neworleanssaints.com/new...-covid-19-list

Let's hope Vannett is ok ...

AsylumGuido · 12-22-2021, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Add Adam Trautman to the Covid list as well.

https://www.neworleanssaints.com/new...-covid-19-list

Let's hope Vannett is ok ...

... and his hands.

jeanpierre · 12-22-2021, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I'm not sure they can afford to give Williams the long term contract he's looking for nor am I sure that they even should. I mean I know they can, but should they when looking at where they want to place their big contracts within the roster, and the secondary already having Lattimore's contract.

I have nothing against MW, but although he really flashes at times in coverage - he does misread routes, he takes bad angles and he is a sub-par tackler.

I have no doubt he might leave and blossom in another system, and make us all curse the day he left (i.e. Jenkins), but I'd be comfortable in looking at the draft to replace him.

I'd rather keep CJGJ between the two, because I think his skillset is more unique, and his play has more impact on the way the defense plays overall.

Salary cap means you can't keep all the players you would like to without having to make sacrifices in other parts of the roster.

There's maybe one or two other safeties that have Marcus Williams' range in the entire NFL; Williams is as underappreciated on defense as Ramczyk on offense...

If I'm GM, I want a shut-down corner and a safety with range; so I'd not balk at paying Lattimore and Marcus top five money at their respective position...

Fans like to really point out his bad plays, which you can count on one hand; and they often forget the days of giving of 3rd and 18 regularly; Jairus Byrd?

Pay Marcus who's still very young, only 25yo, and know you only need a SS or a CB2 to have an amazing secondary; cut Jenkins who's been a liability in coverage...

Lord_Saint83 · 12-22-2021, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

There's maybe one or two other safeties that have Marcus Williams' range in the entire NFL; Williams is as underappreciated on defense as Ramczyk on offense...

If I'm GM, I want a shut-down corner and a safety with range; so I'd not balk at paying Lattimore and Marcus top five money at their respective position...

Fans like to really point out his bad plays, which you can count on one hand; and they often forget the days of giving of 3rd and 18 regularly; Jairus Byrd?

Pay Marcus who's still very young, only 25yo, and know you only need a SS or a CB2 to have an amazing secondary; cut Jenkins who's been a liability in coverage...

I’m with you pay the man. Other teams will pay more than we got to get him. A true centerfield safety is hard to find.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook CJ Gardner-Johnson will be eligible for a new contract after this season… and if you don’t think he’s going to hold out you’re crazy. I think we’re going to have to choose between keeping CJGJ and Marcus Williams.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI CJ Gardner-Johnson will be eligible for a new contract after this season… and if you don’t think he’s going to hold out you’re crazy. I think we’re going to have to choose between keeping CJGJ and Marcus Williams. Depends on what Gardner's agent tells him his market is; Give Gardner Malcolm Jenkins' cap slot and release Jenkins; Marcus Williams and Marshon Lattimore are your cornerstones... saintfan likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Depends on what Gardner's agent tells him his market is; Give Gardner Malcolm Jenkins' cap slot and release Jenkins; Marcus Williams and Marshon Lattimore are your cornerstones... Out of curiosity, I took a look at who the highest paid nickel CB’s are and guys like Kenny Moore (Colts), Taron Johnson (Bills) and Tavon Young (Ravens) are being paid around $8.5 mil/year. I don’t doubt CJGJ will be looking for something like 4yr/$36 million. jeanpierre likes this.

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Depends on what Gardner's agent tells him his market is; Give Gardner Malcolm Jenkins' cap slot and release Jenkins; Marcus Williams and Marshon Lattimore are your cornerstones... I'm not sure they can afford to give Williams the long term contract he's looking for nor am I sure that they even should. I mean I know they can, but should they when looking at where they want to place their big contracts within the roster, and the secondary already having Lattimore's contract. I have nothing against MW, but although he really flashes at times in coverage - he does misread routes, he takes bad angles and he is a sub-par tackler. I have no doubt he might leave and blossom in another system, and make us all curse the day he left (i.e. Jenkins), but I'd be comfortable in looking at the draft to replace him. I'd rather keep CJGJ between the two, because I think his skillset is more unique, and his play has more impact on the way the defense plays overall. Salary cap means you can't keep all the players you would like to without having to make sacrifices in other parts of the roster.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by FinSaint I'm not sure they can afford to give Williams the long term contract he's looking for nor am I sure that they even should. I mean I know they can, but should they when looking at where they want to place their big contracts within the roster, and the secondary already having Lattimore's contract. I have nothing against MW, but although he really flashes at times in coverage - he does misread routes, he takes bad angles and he is a sub-par tackler. I have no doubt he might leave and blossom in another system, and make us all curse the day he left (i.e. Jenkins), but I'd be comfortable in looking at the draft to replace him. I'd rather keep CJGJ between the two, because I think his skillset is more unique, and his play has more impact on the way the defense plays overall. Salary cap means you can't keep all the players you would like to without having to make sacrifices in other parts of the roster. There's maybe one or two other safeties that have Marcus Williams' range in the entire NFL; Williams is as underappreciated on defense as Ramczyk on offense... If I'm GM, I want a shut-down corner and a safety with range; so I'd not balk at paying Lattimore and Marcus top five money at their respective position... Fans like to really point out his bad plays, which you can count on one hand; and they often forget the days of giving of 3rd and 18 regularly; Jairus Byrd? Pay Marcus who's still very young, only 25yo, and know you only need a SS or a CB2 to have an amazing secondary; cut Jenkins who's been a liability in coverage... AsylumGuido and Lord_Saint83 like this.
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Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre There's maybe one or two other safeties that have Marcus Williams' range in the entire NFL; Williams is as underappreciated on defense as Ramczyk on offense... If I'm GM, I want a shut-down corner and a safety with range; so I'd not balk at paying Lattimore and Marcus top five money at their respective position... Fans like to really point out his bad plays, which you can count on one hand; and they often forget the days of giving of 3rd and 18 regularly; Jairus Byrd? Pay Marcus who's still very young, only 25yo, and know you only need a SS or a CB2 to have an amazing secondary; cut Jenkins who's been a liability in coverage... I’m with you pay the man. Other teams will pay more than we got to get him. A true centerfield safety is hard to find. AsylumGuido and jeanpierre like this.

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