Marshon Lattimore Arrested

gosaints1 · 03-27-2021, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

Seems to be the case nowadays in this world. Though he should keep with better company

Fully understand the philosophical debate re: presumed innocence before being labeled guilty as charged, and how damning that mindset could be. I completely understand that, and agree with you.

But what we’re missing is the NFL’s completely arbitrary “personal conduct policy”. And an innocent criminal verdict, heck, even if he isn’t prosecuted, doesn’t necessarily weigh into that calculus. Goodell can punish regardless of criminality. Through the CBA, players have given the commish carte blanche to do as he wills, outside of appeals, re: “personal conduct”.

I doubt that dynamic is foreign to those who fall under the shield.

Lord_Saint83 · 03-27-2021, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Fully understand the philosophical debate re: presumed innocence before being labeled guilty as charged, and how damning that mindset could be. I completely understand that, and agree with you.

But what we’re missing is the NFL’s completely arbitrary “personal conduct policy”. And an innocent criminal verdict, heck, even if he isn’t prosecuted, doesn’t necessarily weigh into that calculus. Goodell can punish regardless of criminality. Through the CBA, players have given the commish carte blanche to do as he wills, outside of appeals, re: “personal conduct”.

I doubt that dynamic is foreign to those who fall under the shield.

I get what your saying about Godhell and with his favorites, like ray rice and rapistberger to name a couple but I thought that what the players association was for, as a sorta checks and balance

WW_Who_Dat · 03-27-2021, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Guilty until proven innocent.

Correct AG ... In the legal system ... In court of public opinion and the halls of corporations just the simple fact that he was there/present and in direct association with the mentioned individuals weather personally in possession of the stolen weapon will result in collateral damage. Right or wrong.

Boston Saint · 03-29-2021, 03:06 PM

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BakoSaint · 03-30-2021, 04:34 PM

Maybe we could trade Lattimore for Watson. Possibly we throw in Taysom. Given the history than Roethlisberger, Kobe, Vick, Burress, AB, Hunt, Tyreek, etc all played in the NFL again, odds are that both Lattimore and Watson play in the NFL again, possibly after missing a year or so. More money is locked up in Watson but if he gets his act together and stops looking for happy endings he is a top QB. We could try Winston this year and if he turns everything around we can cut Watson loose, but if Winston stays wild, Watson is a better version. Meanwhile for the Texans, Taysom and Tyrod can play in a similar offensive style, Taysom can sell tickets, and Lattimore gives them the appearance of return for trading away Watson since they were taken in similar positions in the same draft.

AsylumGuido · 03-30-2021, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Maybe we could trade Lattimore for Watson. Possibly we throw in Taysom. Given the history than Roethlisberger, Kobe, Vick, Burress, AB, Hunt, Tyreek, etc all played in the NFL again, odds are that both Lattimore and Watson play in the NFL again, possibly after missing a year or so. More money is locked up in Watson but if he gets his act together and stops looking for happy endings he is a top QB. We could try Winston this year and if he turns everything around we can cut Watson loose, but if Winston stays wild, Watson is a better version. Meanwhile for the Texans, Taysom and Tyrod can play in a similar offensive style, Taysom can sell tickets, and Lattimore gives them the appearance of return for trading away Watson since they were taken in similar positions in the same draft.

I have a feeling Lattimore misses no more than a game or two, if any at all. The rest of your scenario is fantasy. Just sayin'.

BakoSaint · 03-30-2021, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have a feeling Lattimore misses no more than a game or two, if any at all. The rest of your scenario is fantasy. Just sayin'.

Maybe. But Plaxico did jail time and missed a season for a gun, so who knows. Fricken Martha Stewart did jail time for accepting a stock tip, you never know whether a celeb will get a slap on the wrist of be made an example of. My issue with Lattimore is I feel he plays when he feels like it. Elite talent with wavering motivation. We don't know who misses more time for sure, but we know Watson plays the more valuable position, which tends to have longer career, and has played more consistently.

dizzle88 · 03-30-2021, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Maybe. But Plaxico did jail time and missed a season for a gun, so who knows. Fricken Martha Stewart did jail time for accepting a stock tip, you never know whether a celeb will get a slap on the wrist of be made an example of. My issue with Lattimore is I feel he plays when he feels like it. Elite talent with wavering motivation. We don't know who misses more time for sure, but we know Watson plays the more valuable position, which tends to have longer career, and has played more consistently.

The difficulty is that even on his "off days," he's still better than past Saints DB's. But I do agree with the motivation point and I believe Latt even said it himself in 2018.

Its frustrating because he can be such a great player but only shows up now and again. Like he'll get in Mike Evans head and make him drop 3 passes, but then gets burnt by guys like Hunter freaking Renfrow and Adam Lazard.

Good player, not worth elite money.

SmashMouth · 03-30-2021, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The difficulty is that even on his "off days," he's still better than past Saints DB's. But I do agree with the motivation point and I believe Latt even said it himself in 2018.

Its frustrating because he can be such a great player but only shows up now and again. Like he'll get in Mike Evans head and make him drop 3 passes, but then gets burnt by guys like Hunter freaking Renfrow and Adam Lazard.

Good player, not worth elite money.

We'll definitely be drafting CB at No 1 !

Budsdrinker · 04-01-2021, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Maybe. But Plaxico did jail time and missed a season for a gun, so who knows. Fricken Martha Stewart did jail time for accepting a stock tip, you never know whether a celeb will get a slap on the wrist of be made an example of. My issue with Lattimore is I feel he plays when he feels like it. Elite talent with wavering motivation. We don't know who misses more time for sure, but we know Watson plays the more valuable position, which tends to have longer career, and has played more consistently.

Plaxico discharged a gun in public and accidently shot himself in the leg. Different circumstances.

03-27-2021, 12:29 PM	#1
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Marshon Lattimore Arrested Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 Seems to be the case nowadays in this world. Though he should keep with better company Fully understand the philosophical debate re: presumed innocence before being labeled guilty as charged, and how damning that mindset could be. I completely understand that, and agree with you. But what we’re missing is the NFL’s completely arbitrary “personal conduct policy”. And an innocent criminal verdict, heck, even if he isn’t prosecuted, doesn’t necessarily weigh into that calculus. Goodell can punish regardless of criminality. Through the CBA, players have given the commish carte blanche to do as he wills, outside of appeals, re: “personal conduct”. I doubt that dynamic is foreign to those who fall under the shield. Rugby Saint II, darksoul35 and Lord_Saint83 like this.
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03-27-2021, 01:59 PM	#2
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Marshon Lattimore Arrested Originally Posted by gosaints1 Fully understand the philosophical debate re: presumed innocence before being labeled guilty as charged, and how damning that mindset could be. I completely understand that, and agree with you. But what we’re missing is the NFL’s completely arbitrary “personal conduct policy”. And an innocent criminal verdict, heck, even if he isn’t prosecuted, doesn’t necessarily weigh into that calculus. Goodell can punish regardless of criminality. Through the CBA, players have given the commish carte blanche to do as he wills, outside of appeals, re: “personal conduct”. I doubt that dynamic is foreign to those who fall under the shield. I get what your saying about Godhell and with his favorites, like ray rice and rapistberger to name a couple but I thought that what the players association was for, as a sorta checks and balance Rugby Saint II and gosaints1 like this.

03-27-2021, 02:18 PM	#3
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,275 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Marshon Lattimore Arrested Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Guilty until proven innocent. Correct AG ... In the legal system ... In court of public opinion and the halls of corporations just the simple fact that he was there/present and in direct association with the mentioned individuals weather personally in possession of the stolen weapon will result in collateral damage. Right or wrong. gosaints1 likes this.

03-30-2021, 04:34 PM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Marshon Lattimore Arrested Maybe we could trade Lattimore for Watson. Possibly we throw in Taysom. Given the history than Roethlisberger, Kobe, Vick, Burress, AB, Hunt, Tyreek, etc all played in the NFL again, odds are that both Lattimore and Watson play in the NFL again, possibly after missing a year or so. More money is locked up in Watson but if he gets his act together and stops looking for happy endings he is a top QB. We could try Winston this year and if he turns everything around we can cut Watson loose, but if Winston stays wild, Watson is a better version. Meanwhile for the Texans, Taysom and Tyrod can play in a similar offensive style, Taysom can sell tickets, and Lattimore gives them the appearance of return for trading away Watson since they were taken in similar positions in the same draft.
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03-30-2021, 05:18 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Marshon Lattimore Arrested Originally Posted by BakoSaint Maybe we could trade Lattimore for Watson. Possibly we throw in Taysom. Given the history than Roethlisberger, Kobe, Vick, Burress, AB, Hunt, Tyreek, etc all played in the NFL again, odds are that both Lattimore and Watson play in the NFL again, possibly after missing a year or so. More money is locked up in Watson but if he gets his act together and stops looking for happy endings he is a top QB. We could try Winston this year and if he turns everything around we can cut Watson loose, but if Winston stays wild, Watson is a better version. Meanwhile for the Texans, Taysom and Tyrod can play in a similar offensive style, Taysom can sell tickets, and Lattimore gives them the appearance of return for trading away Watson since they were taken in similar positions in the same draft. I have a feeling Lattimore misses no more than a game or two, if any at all. The rest of your scenario is fantasy. Just sayin'.

03-30-2021, 05:42 PM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Marshon Lattimore Arrested Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have a feeling Lattimore misses no more than a game or two, if any at all. The rest of your scenario is fantasy. Just sayin'. Maybe. But Plaxico did jail time and missed a season for a gun, so who knows. Fricken Martha Stewart did jail time for accepting a stock tip, you never know whether a celeb will get a slap on the wrist of be made an example of. My issue with Lattimore is I feel he plays when he feels like it. Elite talent with wavering motivation. We don't know who misses more time for sure, but we know Watson plays the more valuable position, which tends to have longer career, and has played more consistently. dizzle88 likes this.
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03-30-2021, 05:46 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Marshon Lattimore Arrested Originally Posted by BakoSaint Maybe. But Plaxico did jail time and missed a season for a gun, so who knows. Fricken Martha Stewart did jail time for accepting a stock tip, you never know whether a celeb will get a slap on the wrist of be made an example of. My issue with Lattimore is I feel he plays when he feels like it. Elite talent with wavering motivation. We don't know who misses more time for sure, but we know Watson plays the more valuable position, which tends to have longer career, and has played more consistently. The difficulty is that even on his "off days," he's still better than past Saints DB's. But I do agree with the motivation point and I believe Latt even said it himself in 2018. Its frustrating because he can be such a great player but only shows up now and again. Like he'll get in Mike Evans head and make him drop 3 passes, but then gets burnt by guys like Hunter freaking Renfrow and Adam Lazard. Good player, not worth elite money. jnormand, SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.

03-30-2021, 06:50 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Marshon Lattimore Arrested Originally Posted by dizzle88 The difficulty is that even on his "off days," he's still better than past Saints DB's. But I do agree with the motivation point and I believe Latt even said it himself in 2018. Its frustrating because he can be such a great player but only shows up now and again. Like he'll get in Mike Evans head and make him drop 3 passes, but then gets burnt by guys like Hunter freaking Renfrow and Adam Lazard. Good player, not worth elite money. We'll definitely be drafting CB at No 1 ! jeanpierre likes this.

04-01-2021, 10:43 AM	#10
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Marshon Lattimore Arrested Originally Posted by BakoSaint Maybe. But Plaxico did jail time and missed a season for a gun, so who knows. Fricken Martha Stewart did jail time for accepting a stock tip, you never know whether a celeb will get a slap on the wrist of be made an example of. My issue with Lattimore is I feel he plays when he feels like it. Elite talent with wavering motivation. We don't know who misses more time for sure, but we know Watson plays the more valuable position, which tends to have longer career, and has played more consistently. Plaxico discharged a gun in public and accidently shot himself in the leg. Different circumstances.