Sam Darnold... should we?

rezburna · 10-15-2021, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Vick was only able to play a 16 game season ONCE in his entire 13 year career (2006).

Nah big brotha. Lamar different. He way better than Vick. He’ll definitely make a decade.

jeanpierre · 10-15-2021, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Explain more. You lost me. I saw where you started but where did it end? Was it a Jim Mora dis or something else?

Colts had control of the game, aggressively attacking Jackson and mixing in heavy zone, and on offense being unpredictable, mixing it up...

On offense Reich went conservative on the play-calling after a very effective scheme of keeping the Ravens D off-balance, he admitted this...

On defense, Colts went prevent, why even bother taking the field if you're gonna spot an athlete like Jackson a head-start to sprint down the field...

Mora would do this, regularly, in big games against contenders...

Source: Yahoo! Sports | Frank Reich admits he got too conservative in Colts’ loss to Ravens

SmashMouth · 10-16-2021, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Colts had control of the game, aggressively attacking Jackson and mixing in heavy zone, and on offense being unpredictable, mixing it up...

On offense Reich went conservative on the play-calling after a very effective scheme of keeping the Ravens D off-balance, he admitted this...

On defense, Colts went prevent, why even bother taking the field if you're gonna spot an athlete like Jackson a head-start to sprint down the field...

Mora would do this, regularly, in big games against contenders...

Source: Yahoo! Sports | Frank Reich admits he got too conservative in Colts’ loss to Ravens

Prevent defense mostly prevents wins...

dizzle88 · 10-16-2021, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Nah big brotha. Lamar different. He way better than Vick. He’ll definitely make a decade.

It seemed that Vick only really cared about improving his passing in his second stint, in which he did improve a lot.

Lamar, to me, is light years ahead of where Vick was at that point.

Rugby Saint II · 10-16-2021, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

It seemed that Vick only really cared about improving his passing in his second stint, in which he did improve a lot.

Lamar, to me, is light years ahead of where Vick was at that point.

I like Lamar but Vick fought dogs and to me he is scum of the earth. He may have gone to jail but I don't think I can forgive him for animal cruelty. I'm glad he's out of the league. Him and his stupid cousin were never that good.

dizzle88 · 10-16-2021, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I like Lamar but Vick fought dogs and to me he is scum of the earth. He may have gone to jail but I don't think I can forgive him for animal cruelty. I'm glad he's out of the league. Him and his stupid cousin were never that good.

Oh 100%, animal cruelty is something he'll never be forgiven for and never deserves to be. Dogs are some of the most loyal creatures on this planet and for him to do what he did was sickening.

iceshack149 · 10-16-2021, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I like Lamar but Vick fought dogs and to me he is scum of the earth. He may have gone to jail but I don't think I can forgive him for animal cruelty. I'm glad he's out of the league. Him and his stupid cousin were never that good.

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Oh 100%, animal cruelty is something he'll never be forgiven for and never deserves to be. Dogs are some of the most loyal creatures on this planet and for him to do what he did was sickening.

The older I get the more I realize that I'm not as great as I'd hoped to become. The Messiah said "He who is without sin, cast the first stone". I was disgusted at the news of Vick and his treatment of animals but the man paid his price and made a valiant efffort at a return to football. Who am I told think or say that he deserves nothing better than an awful life for his transgressions?

Also, Aaron Brooks was a part of New Orleans first playoff win so he'll always have a special place in my heart. That win meant so much to me since they had a history of never living up to expectations. Stupid 49ers.
Haslett didn't do Brooks any favors, either.

cmike · 10-17-2021, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I like Lamar but Vick fought dogs and to me he is scum of the earth. He may have gone to jail but I don't think I can forgive him for animal cruelty. I'm glad he's out of the league. Him and his stupid cousin were never that good.

Vick fought dogs, NO. What Mike did was allowed dog fighting to happen on property that he owned. Which is wrong. Mike kept his mouth closed to a lot of high profile people that also participated in dog fighting and fell on the sword solo. Remember when people came out and defended Vick e.g Clinton Portis and said “ that’s what we do in the hood”. As soon as things got serious, meaning jail time, no one said anything. Vick took the fall and didn’t name names.
The Queen of England races horses. When one is injured what do they do, Death is the solution. Death is Death, no matter how you get there.
The only difference in dog fighting and horse racing is a do-rag vs a fancy hat. Animals suffering at the pleasure of humans.
REMEMBER before I’m torn apart, I did say dog fighting is wrong.

This is the same as Bountygate vs the Eagle’s Gopher program.

K Major · 10-17-2021, 09:52 AM

As for Sam Darnold ...

Some Panther faithful are starting to accept him for who he is. An average NFL QB. 5 ints in 2 weeks is awful. He's facing a decent Minnesota defensive line today.

Go Vikes!

Boston Saint · 10-17-2021, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by cmike

Vick fought dogs, NO. What Mike did was allowed dog fighting to happen on property that he owned. Which is wrong. Mike kept his mouth closed to a lot of high profile people that also participated in dog fighting and fell on the sword solo. Remember when people came out and defended Vick e.g Clinton Portis and said “ that’s what we do in the hood”. As soon as things got serious, meaning jail time, no one said anything. Vick took the fall and didn’t name names.
The Queen of England races horses. When one is injured what do they do, Death is the solution. Death is Death, no matter how you get there.
The only difference in dog fighting and horse racing is a do-rag vs a fancy hat. Animals suffering at the pleasure of humans.
REMEMBER before I’m torn apart, I did say dog fighting is wrong.

This is the same as Bountygate vs the Eagle’s Gopher program.

Sorry cmike, can’t agree with your horse racing/dog fighting take at all. Yes, injured horses are put down, but that’s hardly the same. We can start with the fact that one is legal, one isn’t. Horses, for the most part, are not hurt by racing them (they run all the time in pastures). Dogs are designed to be hurt by fighting them. There were stories of drowning and electrocuting dogs that did not meet standards at Vick’s place. That is not done to horses. Your comparison is like saying a fight between two professional boxers is the same as a bully beating the crap out of a weaker kid in a school bathroom.

10-15-2021, 09:25 PM	#41
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,679	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Vick was only able to play a 16 game season ONCE in his entire 13 year career (2006). Nah big brotha. Lamar different. He way better than Vick. He’ll definitely make a decade. dizzle88 and K Major like this.

10-15-2021, 11:11 PM	#42
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Explain more. You lost me. I saw where you started but where did it end? Was it a Jim Mora dis or something else? Colts had control of the game, aggressively attacking Jackson and mixing in heavy zone, and on offense being unpredictable, mixing it up... On offense Reich went conservative on the play-calling after a very effective scheme of keeping the Ravens D off-balance, he admitted this... On defense, Colts went prevent, why even bother taking the field if you're gonna spot an athlete like Jackson a head-start to sprint down the field... Mora would do this, regularly, in big games against contenders... Source: Yahoo! Sports \| Frank Reich admits he got too conservative in Colts’ loss to Ravens SmashMouth likes this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,116 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Colts had control of the game, aggressively attacking Jackson and mixing in heavy zone, and on offense being unpredictable, mixing it up... On offense Reich went conservative on the play-calling after a very effective scheme of keeping the Ravens D off-balance, he admitted this... On defense, Colts went prevent, why even bother taking the field if you're gonna spot an athlete like Jackson a head-start to sprint down the field... Mora would do this, regularly, in big games against contenders... Source: Yahoo! Sports \| Frank Reich admits he got too conservative in Colts’ loss to Ravens Prevent defense mostly prevents wins... RailBoss, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

10-16-2021, 12:31 PM	#44
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? Originally Posted by rezburna Nah big brotha. Lamar different. He way better than Vick. He’ll definitely make a decade. It seemed that Vick only really cared about improving his passing in his second stint, in which he did improve a lot. Lamar, to me, is light years ahead of where Vick was at that point. RailBoss, Rugby Saint II, K Major and 1 others like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,765	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? Originally Posted by dizzle88 It seemed that Vick only really cared about improving his passing in his second stint, in which he did improve a lot. Lamar, to me, is light years ahead of where Vick was at that point. I like Lamar but Vick fought dogs and to me he is scum of the earth. He may have gone to jail but I don't think I can forgive him for animal cruelty. I'm glad he's out of the league. Him and his stupid cousin were never that good. jeanpierre and dizzle88 like this.

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10-16-2021, 04:36 PM	#46
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I like Lamar but Vick fought dogs and to me he is scum of the earth. He may have gone to jail but I don't think I can forgive him for animal cruelty. I'm glad he's out of the league. Him and his stupid cousin were never that good. Oh 100%, animal cruelty is something he'll never be forgiven for and never deserves to be. Dogs are some of the most loyal creatures on this planet and for him to do what he did was sickening. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,100 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I like Lamar but Vick fought dogs and to me he is scum of the earth. He may have gone to jail but I don't think I can forgive him for animal cruelty. I'm glad he's out of the league. Him and his stupid cousin were never that good. Originally Posted by dizzle88 Oh 100%, animal cruelty is something he'll never be forgiven for and never deserves to be. Dogs are some of the most loyal creatures on this planet and for him to do what he did was sickening. The older I get the more I realize that I'm not as great as I'd hoped to become. The Messiah said "He who is without sin, cast the first stone". I was disgusted at the news of Vick and his treatment of animals but the man paid his price and made a valiant efffort at a return to football. Who am I told think or say that he deserves nothing better than an awful life for his transgressions? Also, Aaron Brooks was a part of New Orleans first playoff win so he'll always have a special place in my heart. That win meant so much to me since they had a history of never living up to expectations. Stupid 49ers. Haslett didn't do Brooks any favors, either. Rugby Saint II, K Major and Lord_Saint83 like this.
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10-17-2021, 09:11 AM	#48
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,379	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I like Lamar but Vick fought dogs and to me he is scum of the earth. He may have gone to jail but I don't think I can forgive him for animal cruelty. I'm glad he's out of the league. Him and his stupid cousin were never that good. Vick fought dogs, NO. What Mike did was allowed dog fighting to happen on property that he owned. Which is wrong. Mike kept his mouth closed to a lot of high profile people that also participated in dog fighting and fell on the sword solo. Remember when people came out and defended Vick e.g Clinton Portis and said “ that’s what we do in the hood”. As soon as things got serious, meaning jail time, no one said anything. Vick took the fall and didn’t name names. The Queen of England races horses. When one is injured what do they do, Death is the solution. Death is Death, no matter how you get there. The only difference in dog fighting and horse racing is a do-rag vs a fancy hat. Animals suffering at the pleasure of humans. REMEMBER before I’m torn apart, I did say dog fighting is wrong. This is the same as Bountygate vs the Eagle’s Gopher program.

10-17-2021, 09:52 AM	#49
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,069 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? As for Sam Darnold ... Some Panther faithful are starting to accept him for who he is. An average NFL QB. 5 ints in 2 weeks is awful. He's facing a decent Minnesota defensive line today. Go Vikes! iceshack149 and SmashMouth like this.

10-17-2021, 10:33 AM	#50
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Sam Darnold... should we? Originally Posted by cmike Vick fought dogs, NO. What Mike did was allowed dog fighting to happen on property that he owned. Which is wrong. Mike kept his mouth closed to a lot of high profile people that also participated in dog fighting and fell on the sword solo. Remember when people came out and defended Vick e.g Clinton Portis and said “ that’s what we do in the hood”. As soon as things got serious, meaning jail time, no one said anything. Vick took the fall and didn’t name names. The Queen of England races horses. When one is injured what do they do, Death is the solution. Death is Death, no matter how you get there. The only difference in dog fighting and horse racing is a do-rag vs a fancy hat. Animals suffering at the pleasure of humans. REMEMBER before I’m torn apart, I did say dog fighting is wrong. This is the same as Bountygate vs the Eagle’s Gopher program. Sorry cmike, can’t agree with your horse racing/dog fighting take at all. Yes, injured horses are put down, but that’s hardly the same. We can start with the fact that one is legal, one isn’t. Horses, for the most part, are not hurt by racing them (they run all the time in pastures). Dogs are designed to be hurt by fighting them. There were stories of drowning and electrocuting dogs that did not meet standards at Vick’s place. That is not done to horses. Your comparison is like saying a fight between two professional boxers is the same as a bully beating the crap out of a weaker kid in a school bathroom.
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