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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I dont care to hear crap from the players on this. The NFLPA voted (estimated 2500 players, 79% of the league) and approved this. Players want more pay, an extra game check is more pay. The teams want more cap ...

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Old 03-29-2021, 05:42 AM   #1
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Re: Saints players complain about 17 game schedule

I dont care to hear crap from the players on this. The NFLPA voted (estimated 2500 players, 79% of the league) and approved this.

Players want more pay, an extra game check is more pay. The teams want more cap space, an added game brings in more revenue and softens cap space issues due to reduced stadium revenue.

If the frikken morons didn't learn from the 2011 CBA that voting for more compensation and ignoring the fact that they made Goodell judge and jury, it is on them. Not the first time DeMaurice Smith has represented the players poorly yet the players keep voting him in as director of the Players Association.

Don't hate on the league, the players wants and piss poor voting are what drives this sh1t.

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Old 03-29-2021, 09:51 AM   #2
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I dont care to hear crap from the players on this. The NFLPA voted (estimated 2500 players, 79% of the league) and approved this.

Players want more pay, an extra game check is more pay. The teams want more cap space, an added game brings in more revenue and softens cap space issues due to reduced stadium revenue.

If the frikken morons didn't learn from the 2011 CBA that voting for more compensation and ignoring the fact that they made Goodell judge and jury, it is on them. Not the first time DeMaurice Smith has represented the players poorly yet the players keep voting him in as director of the Players Association.

Don't hate on the league, the players wants and piss poor voting are what drives this sh1t.
There are different factions of players. Overall 17 games benefits the rank and file players because it raises their salary floor. For superstars, like Kamara, who have their bag, it's a detriment.

You won't see the backup linebacker who plays special teams complaining about the extra games. And there's a lot more of them in the league than superstar QBs, RBs, CBs, and WRs.

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Old 03-30-2021, 08:40 AM   #3
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There are different factions of players. Overall 17 games benefits the rank and file players because it raises their salary floor. For superstars, like Kamara, who have their bag, it's a detriment.

You won't see the backup linebacker who plays special teams complaining about the extra games. And there's a lot more of them in the league than superstar QBs, RBs, CBs, and WRs.

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No sir, that is very short sighted for any player that is enjoying the fruits of collective bargaining but then ******* when he has to play a single additional game is a moron in my book.

When you join a union there is no different faction, it is called a union for a reason. The CBA is one deal that marries higher wages and potentially more games. Players don't get to cash a bigger check then cry about 60 more minutes of work and if you buy that crap I have a snow skiing resort for sale in Hawaii.
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Old 03-31-2021, 11:16 AM   #4
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No sir, that is very short sighted for any player that is enjoying the fruits of collective bargaining but then ******* when he has to play a single additional game is a moron in my book.

When you join a union there is no different faction, it is called a union for a reason. The CBA is one deal that marries higher wages and potentially more games. Players don't get to cash a bigger check then cry about 60 more minutes of work and if you buy that crap I have a snow skiing resort for sale in Hawaii.
That's shortsighted. You can have a disagreement about an issue when there's only one person involved. You really believe that a union with over 2000 people are going to be 100% in agreement over this issue?

There are people who did not want the 17th game. The issue was voted upon. They lost that vote. You really believe because the majority voted for an issue that the dissenters lost their right to complain about it?

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That's shortsighted. You can have a disagreement about an issue when there's only one person involved. You really believe that a union with over 2000 people are going to be 100% in agreement over this issue?

There are people who did not want the 17th game. The issue was voted upon. They lost that vote. You really believe because the majority voted for an issue that the dissenters lost their right to complain about it?

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You are missing the point completely and so are they. A vote not going someone's way is no justification for b1tching and moaning after, that's some new aged millennial liberal crap where tantrums get thrown for years after a vote. Contrary to popular belief, it is very much okay to not agree with something privately and not take it to twitter and a microphone.

Adults take good and bad and move on, otherwise they can resign and do what ever other skill set they possess.

This is being framed inaccurately as the league did not add a game. The league moved a preseason game to the regular season. 2020 was 4 preseason and 16 regular, 2021 is 3 preseason and 17 regular. Total preseason+regular season games in 2021 will be the same as 2020. Ergo they aren't playing more for less money, one could very much argue that the only change is that 1 game that didn't count against their regular season record, now does.

The point is that they want their cake but do not want to clean their plate. They stand sportively behind the union when it adds $ to their paycheck but move one game from preseason to regular season and the fans have to read about complaining.

This is a whole lot of drama over what accounts to 0-more games per season being played. They took the 4th preseason game where starters play and made it count on the record...

This is what the league knows, their game costs are pretty much fixed by stadium. Changing the classification of a game from "pre" to "regular" season increases interest and revenue exponentially.

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You are missing the point completely and so are they. A vote not going someone's way is no justification for b1tching and moaning after, that's some new aged millennial liberal crap where tantrums get thrown for years after a vote. Contrary to popular belief, it is very much okay to not agree with something privately and not take it to twitter and a microphone.

Adults take good and bad and move on, otherwise they can resign and do what ever other skill set they possess.

This is being framed inaccurately as the league did not add a game. The league moved a preseason game to the regular season. 2020 was 4 preseason and 16 regular, 2021 is 3 preseason and 17 regular. Total preseason+regular season games in 2021 will be the same as 2020. Ergo they aren't playing more for less money, one could very much argue that the only change is that 1 game that didn't count against their regular season record, now does.

The point is that they want their cake but do not want to clean their plate. They stand sportively behind the union when it adds $ to their paycheck but move one game from preseason to regular season and the fans have to read about complaining.

This is a whole lot of drama over what accounts to 0-more games per season being played. They took the 4th preseason game where starters play and made it count on the record...

This is what the league knows, their game costs are pretty much fixed by stadium. Changing the classification of a game from "pre" to "regular" season increases interest and revenue exponentially.

Thank you for that, and Alvin Better not fart in the locker room now because gods-hell will take away a game check from him he got payed now he’s talking about everything but airheads


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Old 04-01-2021, 10:55 AM   #7
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Re: Saints players complain about 17 game schedule

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You are missing the point completely and so are they. A vote not going someone's way is no justification for b1tching and moaning after, that's some new aged millennial liberal crap where tantrums get thrown for years after a vote. Contrary to popular belief, it is very much okay to not agree with something privately and not take it to twitter and a microphone.
Now I understand. This is really about not liking how millennials operate. "Those darn kids need to get off my lawn."
Adults take good and bad and move on, otherwise they can resign and do what ever other skill set they possess.
You still haven't explained the harm caused by people expressing their opinions or feelings on a subject other that it seems to annoy you.
This is being framed inaccurately as the league did not add a game. The league moved a preseason game to the regular season. 2020 was 4 preseason and 16 regular, 2021 is 3 preseason and 17 regular. Total preseason+regular season games in 2021 will be the same as 2020. Ergo they aren't playing more for less money, one could very much argue that the only change is that 1 game that didn't count against their regular season record, now does.
But that specific change against the record is huge. The record affects playoff seeding. A regular season game is played full bore, not at minimal intensity of a preseason game. Veterans play minimal, or not at all in preseason games.
The point is that they want their cake but do not want to clean their plate. They stand sportively behind the union when it adds $ to their paycheck but move one game from preseason to regular season and the fans have to read about complaining.

This is a whole lot of drama over what accounts to 0-more games per season being played. They took the 4th preseason game where starters play and made it count on the record...

This is what the league knows, their game costs are pretty much fixed by stadium. Changing the classification of a game from "pre" to "regular" season increases interest and revenue exponentially.
I'm not really debating the 17th game with you. I'm debating the premise of "Shut up. Play football. Be glad you have a job. If you don't like it, then quit." with no other options attitude when some have dissent to a proposal. Just because that's what you would do in that situation doesn't mean that others don't have a right to go in a different direction.

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