Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total

voodooido · 04-06-2021, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

BS. Your attitude and statements towards him make it clear you do not want him to succeed.

If I wanted to argue I would be talking to my wife. I said what I said. Dude does great I’ll eat crow but IMO he is pure trash

voodooido · 04-06-2021, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I have no problem with doubting Winston. I doubt him too. But VD has gone way overboard in his criticism IMO. He’s exaggerated Winston’s turnovers, falsely claimed he was benched for Hill, makes hyperbolic statements about going undefeated and ignores any valid statistical observation about his performance when compared to other QBs. Doubting is one thing, blindly repeating “he sucks” with no other input is a personal grudge.

Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2021, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him

You can't "bench" a QB that never started a game. Brees and Hill are the only two QB's that started a game for the Saints last season. Before the season Payton laid out the plan to start Hill if Brees was unable to go, but planned to bring in Winston if Brees got injured during a game. That is exactly how it played out.

It made perfect sense. Hill practiced all week every week for his role as Joker. Winston took second team snaps. In a given week Winston was better prepared to take over mid-game based upon that week's game plan. On the other hand, Hill was much more entrenched into the full playbook and it made sense for him to be the starter if Brees was unable to go.

As for Winston's 30 picks, it was double his average from previous seasons and came under Bruce Arians whose philosophy was to take chances downfield.

K Major · 04-06-2021, 09:05 AM

2021 will be interesting to say the least & a few new faces on defense.

Let's see what happens. Can't wait.

Boston Saint · 04-06-2021, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him

If that’s “All you need to know” then that’s ignorant and short sided. Winston’s 30 Int season came with 33 TDs, 5000 yards and a 7-9 record. In 2005, Favre had 29 INTs (that’s only 1 less BTW) with only 20 TDS, less than 4,000 yards and a 4-12 record. Would your “all you need to know” attitude thrown in the towel on Favre?

rezburna · 04-06-2021, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

If I wanted to argue I would be talking to my wife. I said what I said. Dude does great I’ll eat crow but IMO he is pure trash

Trash is an overstatement. He’s far from trash. Trash is Mason Rudolph or Chase Daniel. Some career back up that’s never accomplished anything. Winston is talented af.

The Dude · 04-06-2021, 09:10 AM

If we have a winning season I will be surprised. Not expecting much. We lost a lot of talent on defense and if Drew couldn’t get it done in his prime I have serious doubts as to weather or not Winston or Taysom will be able to get it done. Qb is the least of our worries.

K Major · 04-06-2021, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Trash is an overstatement. He’s far from trash. Trash is Mason Rudolph or Chase Daniel. Some career back up that’s never accomplished anything. Winston is talented af.

I think some are simply not a fan of the "person" and not the player regardless of what they see or don't see on Sundays.

But I agree, Jameis has serious ability and I'm glad Sean Payton and his staff thought enough of him to give him another chance at becoming a good NFL QB.

rezburna · 04-06-2021, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I think some are simply not a fan of the "person" and not the player regardless of what they see or don't see on Sundays.

But I agree, Jameis has serious ability and I'm glad Sean Payton and his staff thought enough of him to give him another chance at becoming a good NFL QB.

True.

voodooido · 04-06-2021, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If that’s “All you need to know” then that’s ignorant and short sided. Winston’s 30 Int season came with 33 TDs, 5000 yards and a 7-9 record. In 2005, Favre had 29 INTs (that’s only 1 less BTW) with only 20 TDS, less than 4,000 yards and a 4-12 record. Would your “all you need to know” attitude thrown in the towel on Favre?

And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB

04-06-2021, 08:38 AM	#21
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,751	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint BS. Your attitude and statements towards him make it clear you do not want him to succeed. If I wanted to argue I would be talking to my wife. I said what I said. Dude does great I’ll eat crow but IMO he is pure trash
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04-06-2021, 08:41 AM	#22
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,751	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint I have no problem with doubting Winston. I doubt him too. But VD has gone way overboard in his criticism IMO. He’s exaggerated Winston’s turnovers, falsely claimed he was benched for Hill, makes hyperbolic statements about going undefeated and ignores any valid statistical observation about his performance when compared to other QBs. Doubting is one thing, blindly repeating “he sucks” with no other input is a personal grudge. Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him
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04-06-2021, 08:56 AM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him You can't "bench" a QB that never started a game. Brees and Hill are the only two QB's that started a game for the Saints last season. Before the season Payton laid out the plan to start Hill if Brees was unable to go, but planned to bring in Winston if Brees got injured during a game. That is exactly how it played out. It made perfect sense. Hill practiced all week every week for his role as Joker. Winston took second team snaps. In a given week Winston was better prepared to take over mid-game based upon that week's game plan. On the other hand, Hill was much more entrenched into the full playbook and it made sense for him to be the starter if Brees was unable to go. As for Winston's 30 picks, it was double his average from previous seasons and came under Bruce Arians whose philosophy was to take chances downfield. Boston Saint likes this.
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Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,879	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him If that’s “All you need to know” then that’s ignorant and short sided. Winston’s 30 Int season came with 33 TDs, 5000 yards and a 7-9 record. In 2005, Favre had 29 INTs (that’s only 1 less BTW) with only 20 TDS, less than 4,000 yards and a 4-12 record. Would your “all you need to know” attitude thrown in the towel on Favre? K Major and rezburna like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,679	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido If I wanted to argue I would be talking to my wife. I said what I said. Dude does great I’ll eat crow but IMO he is pure trash Trash is an overstatement. He’s far from trash. Trash is Mason Rudolph or Chase Daniel. Some career back up that’s never accomplished anything. Winston is talented af. 73Saint, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total If we have a winning season I will be surprised. Not expecting much. We lost a lot of talent on defense and if Drew couldn’t get it done in his prime I have serious doubts as to weather or not Winston or Taysom will be able to get it done. Qb is the least of our worries. Boston Saint likes this.
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04-06-2021, 09:39 AM	#28
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,069 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by rezburna Trash is an overstatement. He’s far from trash. Trash is Mason Rudolph or Chase Daniel. Some career back up that’s never accomplished anything. Winston is talented af. I think some are simply not a fan of the "person" and not the player regardless of what they see or don't see on Sundays. But I agree, Jameis has serious ability and I'm glad Sean Payton and his staff thought enough of him to give him another chance at becoming a good NFL QB. rezburna and Boston Saint like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,679	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by K Major I think some are simply not a fan of the "person" and not the player regardless of what they see or don't see on Sundays. But I agree, Jameis has serious ability and I'm glad Sean Payton and his staff thought enough of him to give him another chance at becoming a good NFL QB. True.

04-06-2021, 11:42 AM	#30
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,751	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint If that’s “All you need to know” then that’s ignorant and short sided. Winston’s 30 Int season came with 33 TDs, 5000 yards and a 7-9 record. In 2005, Favre had 29 INTs (that’s only 1 less BTW) with only 20 TDS, less than 4,000 yards and a 4-12 record. Would your “all you need to know” attitude thrown in the towel on Favre? And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB
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