PFF Draft Simulator

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2021, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Nobody had to explain s*** to you Guido.

I love you, too!

But just seriously wanting to know the personal motivation. Can you not explain yours? What drives your interest? Think of it as a short essay question in freshman psych class. Do you not know? Can you not put it into words?

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2021, 06:45 PM

Okay, let me direct this question to my friends, K_Major and JP.

What exactly motivates you to be so involved into the pre-draft and such? What makes it worth your efforts? You get so much into this circus. What drives your passions for it? We all know very few players y'all want are actually picked up by our Saints. What makes it all worth all of the time and effort to research these kids that will never grace our roster? And don't feed me the "they might some day". There's plenty of time between now and then to figure that out with some "real" NFL football experience.

jeanpierre · 04-08-2021, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm waiting for the real people to make the picks. I'm never wrong about the picks because I have never tried to guess what they'll do. A perfect record.

You state you're waiting on the real people to make the picks, And yet you fill the need to come on this thread and disavow anyone else here of being real...

Much less attempting to connect with the Saints Fan Experience, or Shared Fan Experience with others...

That's trolling, it makes you a troll; and that's okay, just so you remember Leviticus 19:18 -

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...

jeanpierre · 04-08-2021, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Pitts in the second would blow my mind.

Pitts & Trautman would probably be the best TE duo I would've ever seen wear the black and gold.

I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion...

K Major · 04-08-2021, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion...

That's harsh JP

. Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league.

Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system.

K Major · 04-08-2021, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Okay, let me direct this question to my friends, K_Major and JP.

What exactly motivates you to be so involved into the pre-draft and such? What makes it worth your efforts? You get so much into this circus. What drives your passions for it? We all know very few players y'all want are actually picked up by our Saints. What makes it all worth all of the time and effort to research these kids that will never grace our roster? And don't feed me the "they might some day". There's plenty of time between now and then to figure that out with some "real" NFL football experience.

Why does it bother you so much though? It's not a circus at all for me AG. I simply love the game of football & the Saints.

Living in Dallas, I've seen local kids up close and in person as early at 13/14 years old compete, many go on to college & a select few see their dreams become a reality on NFL draft day. Kyler Murray (Allen High), Myles Garrett - (Arlington Martin High), Matthew Stafford (Highland Park), Chase Daniels (Southlake), Solomon Thomas (Coppell) all good kids I've watch perform as teenagers become "big time" & NFL stars on Sundays.

My love of the sport has nothing to do with whether or not the Saints ultimately select them on draft day. I enjoy the interaction and opinions from others (Smash, JP, Rez, JNormand,Lee909,76, XVI, Rugs, Papz etc) on this board on scouting players, best "fit" & predictions on how they'll translate from college to the next level.

We don't have to wait for the "experts" predict who they think is best fit in the draft for the Saints

.

Fun, healthy draft conversations.

Boston Saint · 04-08-2021, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Why does it bother you so much though? It's not a circus at all for me AG. I simply love the game of football & the Saints.

Living in Dallas, I've seen local kids up close and in person as early at 13/14 years old compete, many go on to college & a select few see their dreams become a reality on NFL draft day. Kyler Murray (Allen High), Myles Garrett - (Arlington Martin High), Matthew Stafford (Highland Park), Chase Daniels (Southlake), Solomon Thomas (Coppell) all good kids I've watch perform as teenagers become "big time" & NFL stars on Sundays.

My love of the sport has nothing to do with whether or not the Saints ultimately select them on draft day. I enjoy the interaction and opinions from others (Smash, JP, Rez, JNormand,Lee909,76, XVI, Rugs, Papz etc) on this board on scouting players, best "fit" & predictions on how they'll translate from college to the next level.

We don't have to wait for the "experts" predict who they think is best fit in the draft for the Saints .

Fun, healthy draft conversations.

There is a certain amount of narcissism in someone claiming they have a perfect record in something they do not participate in. By that logic I am undefeated in surfing competition. That seems to be one of Guido’s defining traits i’ve observed in the still short time I’ve been here. Since I joined last November, it has been interesting to observe everyone’s posts and attitudes through a playoff run and now an offseason.

MarchingOn · 04-08-2021, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I love the draft itself. It's when you find out who your potential new players might be. I'll be glued to the TV watching for each of our picks. What I don't get is the desire to try to make the picks yourself. ie. the mock drafts and such. With a little patience you'll know come draft day.

I'll do mock drafts for fantasy football trying to gauge what others might do because I am the one that is going to be doing the actual drafting when the time comes. I just don't get what is gained from mocking the rookie draft. The only thing I ever see from it is a bunch of fans getting pissed off because real teams didn't pick who the fans wanted them to pick. I'm never disappointed in a draft because I don't set myself up for disappointment.

Can y'all honestly explain to me what is gained by researching all of these college players and then setting your expectations up to be shot down. What is the appeal?

"I'm never disappointed in a draft because I don't set myself up for disappointment."

Not even the the notorious 2014 Draft?

Brandin Cooks, WR. 2014 Draft: First Round, 20th Overall: ...

Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB. 2014 Draft: Second Round, 58th Overall. (and passing on WR Landry when we needed one in a deep WR draft because we were silly and took only Cooks instead)

Khairi Fortt, LB. 2014 Draft: Fourth Round, 126th Overall: ...
Vinnie Sunseri, S. 2014 Draft: Fifth Round, 167th Overall: ...
Ronald Powell, OLB. 2014 Draft: Fifth Round, 169th Overall: ...
Tavon Rooks, OT.

None but Cooks even in the NFL. Got the entire Scouting Dept fired and brought use ireland. That's what disappointment does. Or, as Forrest Gump's momma would say, "Stupid is what Stupid does."

SmashMouth · 04-08-2021, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion...

Originally Posted by K Major

That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league.

Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system.

I wonder why the Saints couldn't stop him against the Whiners in the playoffs game? If they do, they win the game and possibly another Tiffany.

jeanpierre · 04-08-2021, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league.

Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system.

K, play hindsight, consider - Was he anywhere near the hype of a TE who was gonna change the game?

I don't think so. He had a couple of standout games (one in the playoffs I'd like to forget), but was he anywhere what Jimmy Graham was with Drew Brees?

Secondly, for the No. 6 pick, did he really have that big an impact on the overall winning of that team? An impressive role player, contributor - yes...

But did him taking the field elevate the team like a franchise QB, shut-down CB, Dominant D-Lineman, or an Alka-Seltzer Neutralizer on the offensive line? Not even close...

Weigh his overall ranking amongst his peers at the position - Gronk, Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen, Dallas Clark...

He never had 1000 ReYds in a season; only two (2) seasons of double digit ReTds (13), the 1st wasn't until Year 4; he avg just 3 ReTD avg in all the other seasons...

For that pick, like Reggie Bush picked in the same draft, there was all that buzz, and well, just a solid career?

Do really you want solid from the 6th pick? and not being an offensive lineman?

For me, that's bust, maybe not Tony Mandarich bust, but a bust for that high a pick...

04-08-2021, 05:29 PM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Nobody had to explain s*** to you Guido. I love you, too! But just seriously wanting to know the personal motivation. Can you not explain yours? What drives your interest? Think of it as a short essay question in freshman psych class. Do you not know? Can you not put it into words?

04-08-2021, 06:45 PM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Okay, let me direct this question to my friends, K_Major and JP. What exactly motivates you to be so involved into the pre-draft and such? What makes it worth your efforts? You get so much into this circus. What drives your passions for it? We all know very few players y'all want are actually picked up by our Saints. What makes it all worth all of the time and effort to research these kids that will never grace our roster? And don't feed me the "they might some day". There's plenty of time between now and then to figure that out with some "real" NFL football experience.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

04-08-2021, 07:35 PM	#23
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm waiting for the real people to make the picks. I'm never wrong about the picks because I have never tried to guess what they'll do. A perfect record. You state you're waiting on the real people to make the picks, And yet you fill the need to come on this thread and disavow anyone else here of being real... Much less attempting to connect with the Saints Fan Experience, or Shared Fan Experience with others... That's trolling, it makes you a troll; and that's okay, just so you remember Leviticus 19:18 - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...

04-08-2021, 07:40 PM	#24
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by FinSaint Pitts in the second would blow my mind. Pitts & Trautman would probably be the best TE duo I would've ever seen wear the black and gold. I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion... SmashMouth likes this.

04-08-2021, 08:20 PM	#25
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,068 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion... That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league. Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system. saintsfan1976 likes this.

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04-08-2021, 08:33 PM	#26
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,068 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Okay, let me direct this question to my friends, K_Major and JP. What exactly motivates you to be so involved into the pre-draft and such? What makes it worth your efforts? You get so much into this circus. What drives your passions for it? We all know very few players y'all want are actually picked up by our Saints. What makes it all worth all of the time and effort to research these kids that will never grace our roster? And don't feed me the "they might some day". There's plenty of time between now and then to figure that out with some "real" NFL football experience. Why does it bother you so much though? It's not a circus at all for me AG. I simply love the game of football & the Saints. Living in Dallas, I've seen local kids up close and in person as early at 13/14 years old compete, many go on to college & a select few see their dreams become a reality on NFL draft day. Kyler Murray (Allen High), Myles Garrett - (Arlington Martin High), Matthew Stafford (Highland Park), Chase Daniels (Southlake), Solomon Thomas (Coppell) all good kids I've watch perform as teenagers become "big time" & NFL stars on Sundays. My love of the sport has nothing to do with whether or not the Saints ultimately select them on draft day. I enjoy the interaction and opinions from others (Smash, JP, Rez, JNormand,Lee909,76, XVI, Rugs, Papz etc) on this board on scouting players, best "fit" & predictions on how they'll translate from college to the next level. We don't have to wait for the "experts" predict who they think is best fit in the draft for the Saints . Fun, healthy draft conversations. iceshack149, jnormand, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.

04-08-2021, 09:34 PM	#27
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by K Major Why does it bother you so much though? It's not a circus at all for me AG. I simply love the game of football & the Saints. Living in Dallas, I've seen local kids up close and in person as early at 13/14 years old compete, many go on to college & a select few see their dreams become a reality on NFL draft day. Kyler Murray (Allen High), Myles Garrett - (Arlington Martin High), Matthew Stafford (Highland Park), Chase Daniels (Southlake), Solomon Thomas (Coppell) all good kids I've watch perform as teenagers become "big time" & NFL stars on Sundays. My love of the sport has nothing to do with whether or not the Saints ultimately select them on draft day. I enjoy the interaction and opinions from others (Smash, JP, Rez, JNormand,Lee909,76, XVI, Rugs, Papz etc) on this board on scouting players, best "fit" & predictions on how they'll translate from college to the next level. We don't have to wait for the "experts" predict who they think is best fit in the draft for the Saints . Fun, healthy draft conversations. There is a certain amount of narcissism in someone claiming they have a perfect record in something they do not participate in. By that logic I am undefeated in surfing competition. That seems to be one of Guido’s defining traits i’ve observed in the still short time I’ve been here. Since I joined last November, it has been interesting to observe everyone’s posts and attitudes through a playoff run and now an offseason.

04-08-2021, 10:29 PM	#28
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I love the draft itself. It's when you find out who your potential new players might be. I'll be glued to the TV watching for each of our picks. What I don't get is the desire to try to make the picks yourself. ie. the mock drafts and such. With a little patience you'll know come draft day. I'll do mock drafts for fantasy football trying to gauge what others might do because I am the one that is going to be doing the actual drafting when the time comes. I just don't get what is gained from mocking the rookie draft. The only thing I ever see from it is a bunch of fans getting pissed off because real teams didn't pick who the fans wanted them to pick. I'm never disappointed in a draft because I don't set myself up for disappointment. Can y'all honestly explain to me what is gained by researching all of these college players and then setting your expectations up to be shot down. What is the appeal? "I'm never disappointed in a draft because I don't set myself up for disappointment." Not even the the notorious 2014 Draft? Brandin Cooks, WR. 2014 Draft: First Round, 20th Overall: ... Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB. 2014 Draft: Second Round, 58th Overall. (and passing on WR Landry when we needed one in a deep WR draft because we were silly and took only Cooks instead) Khairi Fortt, LB. 2014 Draft: Fourth Round, 126th Overall: ... Vinnie Sunseri, S. 2014 Draft: Fifth Round, 167th Overall: ... Ronald Powell, OLB. 2014 Draft: Fifth Round, 169th Overall: ... Tavon Rooks, OT. None but Cooks even in the NFL. Got the entire Scouting Dept fired and brought use ireland. That's what disappointment does. Or, as Forrest Gump's momma would say, "Stupid is what Stupid does." SmashMouth likes this.

04-08-2021, 10:55 PM	#29
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,111 Blog Entries: 29	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion... Originally Posted by K Major That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league. Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system. I wonder why the Saints couldn't stop him against the Whiners in the playoffs game? If they do, they win the game and possibly another Tiffany.

04-08-2021, 11:05 PM	#30
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by K Major That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league. Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system. K, play hindsight, consider - Was he anywhere near the hype of a TE who was gonna change the game? I don't think so. He had a couple of standout games (one in the playoffs I'd like to forget), but was he anywhere what Jimmy Graham was with Drew Brees? Secondly, for the No. 6 pick, did he really have that big an impact on the overall winning of that team? An impressive role player, contributor - yes... But did him taking the field elevate the team like a franchise QB, shut-down CB, Dominant D-Lineman, or an Alka-Seltzer Neutralizer on the offensive line? Not even close... Weigh his overall ranking amongst his peers at the position - Gronk, Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen, Dallas Clark... He never had 1000 ReYds in a season; only two (2) seasons of double digit ReTds (13), the 1st wasn't until Year 4; he avg just 3 ReTD avg in all the other seasons... For that pick, like Reggie Bush picked in the same draft, there was all that buzz, and well, just a solid career? Do really you want solid from the 6th pick? and not being an offensive lineman? For me, that's bust, maybe not Tony Mandarich bust, but a bust for that high a pick...
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