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SmashMouth 04-08-2021 08:52 AM

PFF Draft Simulator
 
Tis Dis Time of Year Yet Again... NFL Draft Time.

For your entertainment pleasure, here is PFF Draft Simulator.

Have fun and please post your results.


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AsylumGuido 04-08-2021 09:27 AM

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I'm waiting for the real people to make the picks. I'm never wrong about the picks because I have never tried to guess what they'll do. A perfect record.

SmashMouth 04-08-2021 09:38 AM

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Apparently, I suck at picking, according to PFF. I also actually tried to draft LSU. It was harder than I imagined. I guess other teams ike LSU players more? At least I got SP's favorite school, Ohio St.

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lee909 04-08-2021 09:59 AM

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iceshack149 04-08-2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 917862)
I'm waiting for the real people to make the picks. I'm never wrong about the picks because I have never tried to guess what they'll do. A perfect record.

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SmashMouth 04-08-2021 10:28 AM

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I did better my second go around, at least according to PFF.


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AsylumGuido 04-08-2021 12:04 PM

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I just don't get the pre-draft hype. Nobody other than those making the picks have any impact on who is actually taken by whom. I am as excited as the next person, however, during our picks of the actual draft just to see who we get. At that point I learn as much as possible about that player. I don't really expect, however, any true determination of the value of the player picked until at least two or three years down the road. If they prove their worth earlier, great! That's why I see draft grades as totally meaningless. That appears to be the feeling of many so-called experts in the field, as well, even as they give grades as directed.

I, of course, know the importance of the draft to the success of a team. I also know that the speculations of fans has zero impact on that degree of success. But, as I have mentioned before, some of y'all get a kick out of playing the guessing game. It's just not my cup of tea. With no prior expectations I am never disappointed with the draft.

Boston Saint 04-08-2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 917870)
I just don't get the pre-draft hype. Nobody other than those making the picks have any impact on who is actually taken by whom. I am as excited as the next person, however, during our picks of the actual draft just to see who we get. At that point I learn as much as possible about that player. I don't really expect, however, any true determination of the value of the player picked until at least two or three years down the road. If they prove their worth earlier, great! That's why I see draft grades as totally meaningless. That appears to be the feeling of many so-called experts in the field, as well, even as they give grades as directed.

I, of course, know the importance of the draft to the success of a team. I also know that the speculations of fans has zero impact on that degree of success. But, as I have mentioned before, some of y'all get a kick out of playing the guessing game. It's just not my cup of tea. With no prior expectations I am never disappointed with the draft.

You say you are gluten for everyday football 😝, yet you don’t get the draft hype. Strange.

FinSaint 04-08-2021 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 917867)
I did better my second go around, at least according to PFF.





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Pitts in the second would blow my mind.

Pitts & Trautman would probably be the best TE duo I would've ever seen wear the black and gold.

AsylumGuido 04-08-2021 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 917871)
You say you are gluten for everyday football 😝, yet you don’t get the draft hype. Strange.

I love the draft itself. It's when you find out who your potential new players might be. I'll be glued to the TV watching for each of our picks. What I don't get is the desire to try to make the picks yourself. ie. the mock drafts and such. With a little patience you'll know come draft day.

I'll do mock drafts for fantasy football trying to gauge what others might do because I am the one that is going to be doing the actual drafting when the time comes. I just don't get what is gained from mocking the rookie draft. The only thing I ever see from it is a bunch of fans getting pissed off because real teams didn't pick who the fans wanted them to pick. I'm never disappointed in a draft because I don't set myself up for disappointment.

Can y'all honestly explain to me what is gained by researching all of these college players and then setting your expectations up to be shot down. What is the appeal?

:confused:

vpheughan 04-08-2021 02:19 PM

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I don't get the agonizing over draft picks either.

OR

(JP.......... er) I mean "fan" who tracks every other player available at the Saints selection slot then BYTCHES for YEARS about how one of those players "SHOULD'A" been drafted by the Saints.

Boston Saint 04-08-2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 917873)
I love the draft itself. It's when you find out who your potential new players might be. I'll be glued to the TV watching for each of our picks. What I don't get is the desire to try to make the picks yourself. ie. the mock drafts and such. With a little patience you'll know come draft day.

I'll do mock drafts for fantasy football trying to gauge what others might do because I am the one that is going to be doing the actual drafting when the time comes. I just don't get what is gained from mocking the rookie draft. The only thing I ever see from it is a bunch of fans getting pissed off because real teams didn't pick who the fans wanted them to pick. I'm never disappointed in a draft because I don't set myself up for disappointment.

Can y'all honestly explain to me what is gained by researching all of these college players and then setting your expectations up to be shot down. What is the appeal?

:confused:

What’s the appeal of bragging about never being wrong about something you don’t participate in ?

AsylumGuido 04-08-2021 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 917875)
What’s the appeal of bragging about never being wrong about something you don’t participate in ?

What is there to be right or wrong about? What's the appeal? What is it I am missing? I absolutely get the appeal of the actual real draft.

I've asked this in the past but never really got an answer. What's the attraction in trying to figure out who you think your team might pick when you can simply wait and see? I'm looking for serious answers. What is the motivation?

And boasting about never being wrong about draft picks is an attempt at humor.

Boston Saint 04-08-2021 03:33 PM

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I don’t get that heavily into it myself. I’ve not put any players forward to draft or done any mocks. It doesn’t seem strange to me though. It could be an extension of being a serious college football fan. I had a friend in Cali (RIP Johnny) that watched every minute of NCAA he could on Saturday (he was single of course) from 9 am to the last west coast game of the day. Funny thing he wasn’t as into Pro ball, but he knew a ton about all the College teams and players. If he had been into pro ball he would have been like JP and others here speculating on the best fits for teams and players. It doesn’t seem any more strange to me than the idea of wanting an NFL game every night to watch.

AsylumGuido 04-08-2021 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 917879)
I don’t get that heavily into it myself. I’ve not put any players forward to draft or done any mocks. It doesn’t seem strange to me though. It could be an extension of being a serious college football fan. I had a friend in Cali (RIP Johnny) that watched every minute of NCAA he could on Saturday (he was single of course) from 9 am to the last west coast game of the day. Funny thing he wasn’t as into Pro ball, but he knew a ton about all the College teams and players. If he had been into pro ball he would have been like JP and others here speculating on the best fits for teams and players. It doesn’t seem any more strange to me than the idea of wanting an NFL game every night to watch.

Thanks for your input, but I guess I need input from someone that is "into it". I'm not much of a college football fan myself. Back when I used to run a bowl pick 'em pool I followed it some, but that's been 15 years or so. These days I only watch if NC State happens to be playing. Other than that I couldn't name five college players during the season.

lee909 04-08-2021 04:10 PM

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Rugby Saint II 04-08-2021 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 917870)
I just don't get the pre-draft hype. Nobody other than those making the picks have any impact on who is actually taken by whom. I am as excited as the next person, however, during our picks of the actual draft just to see who we get. At that point I learn as much as possible about that player. I don't really expect, however, any true determination of the value of the player picked until at least two or three years down the road. If they prove their worth earlier, great! That's why I see draft grades as totally meaningless. That appears to be the feeling of many so-called experts in the field, as well, even as they give grades as directed.

I, of course, know the importance of the draft to the success of a team. I also know that the speculations of fans has zero impact on that degree of success. But, as I have mentioned before, some of y'all get a kick out of playing the guessing game. It's just not my cup of tea. With no prior expectations I am never disappointed with the draft.

For me, it gives me a chance to know the players that we would like and folks think might be available when we pick. I read all the mocks and the ones that have the most picks get more of my attention so I study them closer. Mock drafts show me what the majority believe is possible so I'm always up for a good comparison and break down of the player and how he may fit the Saints system.

All I know is that you win in the trenches and our first draft picks the last four years have been in the trenches, which is where you win the games.

AsylumGuido 04-08-2021 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 917890)
For me, it gives me a chance to know the players that we would like and folks think might be available when we pick. I read all the mocks and the ones that have the most picks get more of my attention so I study them closer. Mock drafts show me what the majority believe is possible so I'm always up for a good comparison and break down of the player and how he may fit the Saints system.

All I know is that you win in the trenches and our first draft picks the last four years have been in the trenches, which is where you win the games.

But couldn't you do the same on the players once they are drafted by the Saints? What is the attraction of wanting to know about tons of players that won't come into play. All your questions could be answered within minutes after the real pick is made via the google machine.

ChrisXVI 04-08-2021 05:08 PM

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Nobody had to explain s*** to you Guido.

AsylumGuido 04-08-2021 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 917894)
Nobody had to explain s*** to you Guido.

I love you, too!

But just seriously wanting to know the personal motivation. Can you not explain yours? What drives your interest? Think of it as a short essay question in freshman psych class. Do you not know? Can you not put it into words?

AsylumGuido 04-08-2021 06:45 PM

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Okay, let me direct this question to my friends, K_Major and JP.

What exactly motivates you to be so involved into the pre-draft and such? What makes it worth your efforts? You get so much into this circus. What drives your passions for it? We all know very few players y'all want are actually picked up by our Saints. What makes it all worth all of the time and effort to research these kids that will never grace our roster? And don't feed me the "they might some day". There's plenty of time between now and then to figure that out with some "real" NFL football experience.

jeanpierre 04-08-2021 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 917862)
I'm waiting for the real people to make the picks. I'm never wrong about the picks because I have never tried to guess what they'll do. A perfect record.

You state you're waiting on the real people to make the picks, And yet you fill the need to come on this thread and disavow anyone else here of being real...

Much less attempting to connect with the Saints Fan Experience, or Shared Fan Experience with others...

That's trolling, it makes you a troll; and that's okay, just so you remember Leviticus 19:18 -

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...


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jeanpierre 04-08-2021 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 917872)
Pitts in the second would blow my mind.

Pitts & Trautman would probably be the best TE duo I would've ever seen wear the black and gold.

I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion...

K Major 04-08-2021 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917903)
I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion...

That's harsh JP :p. Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league.

Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system.

K Major 04-08-2021 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 917898)
Okay, let me direct this question to my friends, K_Major and JP.

What exactly motivates you to be so involved into the pre-draft and such? What makes it worth your efforts? You get so much into this circus. What drives your passions for it? We all know very few players y'all want are actually picked up by our Saints. What makes it all worth all of the time and effort to research these kids that will never grace our roster? And don't feed me the "they might some day". There's plenty of time between now and then to figure that out with some "real" NFL football experience.

Why does it bother you so much though? It's not a circus at all for me AG. I simply love the game of football & the Saints.

Living in Dallas, I've seen local kids up close and in person as early at 13/14 years old compete, many go on to college & a select few see their dreams become a reality on NFL draft day. Kyler Murray (Allen High), Myles Garrett - (Arlington Martin High), Matthew Stafford (Highland Park), Chase Daniels (Southlake), Solomon Thomas (Coppell) all good kids I've watch perform as teenagers become "big time" & NFL stars on Sundays.

My love of the sport has nothing to do with whether or not the Saints ultimately select them on draft day. I enjoy the interaction and opinions from others (Smash, JP, Rez, JNormand,Lee909,76, XVI, Rugs, Papz etc) on this board on scouting players, best "fit" & predictions on how they'll translate from college to the next level.

We don't have to wait for the "experts" predict who they think is best fit in the draft for the Saints ;).

Fun, healthy draft conversations.

Boston Saint 04-08-2021 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917905)
Why does it bother you so much though? It's not a circus at all for me AG. I simply love the game of football & the Saints.

Living in Dallas, I've seen local kids up close and in person as early at 13/14 years old compete, many go on to college & a select few see their dreams become a reality on NFL draft day. Kyler Murray (Allen High), Myles Garrett - (Arlington Martin High), Matthew Stafford (Highland Park), Chase Daniels (Southlake), Solomon Thomas (Coppell) all good kids I've watch perform as teenagers become "big time" & NFL stars on Sundays.

My love of the sport has nothing to do with whether or not the Saints ultimately select them on draft day. I enjoy the interaction and opinions from others (Smash, JP, Rez, JNormand,Lee909,76, XVI, Rugs, Papz etc) on this board on scouting players, best "fit" & predictions on how they'll translate from college to the next level.

We don't have to wait for the "experts" predict who they think is best fit in the draft for the Saints ;).

Fun, healthy draft conversations.

There is a certain amount of narcissism in someone claiming they have a perfect record in something they do not participate in. By that logic I am undefeated in surfing competition. That seems to be one of Guido’s defining traits i’ve observed in the still short time I’ve been here. Since I joined last November, it has been interesting to observe everyone’s posts and attitudes through a playoff run and now an offseason.

MarchingOn 04-08-2021 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 917873)
I love the draft itself. It's when you find out who your potential new players might be. I'll be glued to the TV watching for each of our picks. What I don't get is the desire to try to make the picks yourself. ie. the mock drafts and such. With a little patience you'll know come draft day.

I'll do mock drafts for fantasy football trying to gauge what others might do because I am the one that is going to be doing the actual drafting when the time comes. I just don't get what is gained from mocking the rookie draft. The only thing I ever see from it is a bunch of fans getting pissed off because real teams didn't pick who the fans wanted them to pick. I'm never disappointed in a draft because I don't set myself up for disappointment.

Can y'all honestly explain to me what is gained by researching all of these college players and then setting your expectations up to be shot down. What is the appeal?

:confused:

"I'm never disappointed in a draft because I don't set myself up for disappointment."

Not even the the notorious 2014 Draft?

Brandin Cooks, WR. 2014 Draft: First Round, 20th Overall: ...

Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB. 2014 Draft: Second Round, 58th Overall. (and passing on WR Landry when we needed one in a deep WR draft because we were silly and took only Cooks instead)

Khairi Fortt, LB. 2014 Draft: Fourth Round, 126th Overall: ...
Vinnie Sunseri, S. 2014 Draft: Fifth Round, 167th Overall: ...
Ronald Powell, OLB. 2014 Draft: Fifth Round, 169th Overall: ...
Tavon Rooks, OT.

None but Cooks even in the NFL. Got the entire Scouting Dept fired and brought use ireland. That's what disappointment does. Or, as Forrest Gump's momma would say, "Stupid is what Stupid does."

SmashMouth 04-08-2021 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917903)
I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion...

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917904)
That's harsh JP :p. Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league.

Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system.

I wonder why the Saints couldn't stop him against the Whiners in the playoffs game? If they do, they win the game and possibly another Tiffany.

jeanpierre 04-08-2021 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917904)
That's harsh JP :p. Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league.

Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system.

K, play hindsight, consider - Was he anywhere near the hype of a TE who was gonna change the game?

I don't think so. He had a couple of standout games (one in the playoffs I'd like to forget), but was he anywhere what Jimmy Graham was with Drew Brees?

Secondly, for the No. 6 pick, did he really have that big an impact on the overall winning of that team? An impressive role player, contributor - yes...

But did him taking the field elevate the team like a franchise QB, shut-down CB, Dominant D-Lineman, or an Alka-Seltzer Neutralizer on the offensive line? Not even close...

Weigh his overall ranking amongst his peers at the position - Gronk, Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen, Dallas Clark...

He never had 1000 ReYds in a season; only two (2) seasons of double digit ReTds (13), the 1st wasn't until Year 4; he avg just 3 ReTD avg in all the other seasons...

For that pick, like Reggie Bush picked in the same draft, there was all that buzz, and well, just a solid career?

Do really you want solid from the 6th pick? and not being an offensive lineman?

For me, that's bust, maybe not Tony Mandarich bust, but a bust for that high a pick...

FinSaint 04-09-2021 02:52 AM

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Well, when I correctly picked Akiem Hicks in the third round back in the day... I retired from doing mock drafts.

I considered that a win and left the "game" as a winner. :D

subguy 04-09-2021 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 917871)
You say you are gluten for everyday football 😝, yet you don’t get the draft hype. Strange.

I guess he is gluten free

subguy 04-09-2021 06:01 AM

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Who truly cares who likes to mock draft or not. If someone likes it great, if not great. No one needs to explain anything either way because it just isn't relevant. If you said directly subguy do you do a mock draft, I would say no, because I don't. I really won't explain anything more. Geesh, almost an entire thread, first Boston calling out AG because he for some reason he felt the need to have a gotcha moment with AG. Then AG explaining, for whatever reason he felt compelled.

Nothing to see here, move along

rezburna 04-09-2021 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917916)
K, play hindsight, consider - Was he anywhere near the hype of a TE who was gonna change the game?

I don't think so. He had a couple of standout games (one in the playoffs I'd like to forget), but was he anywhere what Jimmy Graham was with Drew Brees?

Secondly, for the No. 6 pick, did he really have that big an impact on the overall winning of that team? An impressive role player, contributor - yes...

But did him taking the field elevate the team like a franchise QB, shut-down CB, Dominant D-Lineman, or an Alka-Seltzer Neutralizer on the offensive line? Not even close...

Weigh his overall ranking amongst his peers at the position - Gronk, Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen, Dallas Clark...

He never had 1000 ReYds in a season; only two (2) seasons of double digit ReTds (13), the 1st wasn't until Year 4; he avg just 3 ReTD avg in all the other seasons...

For that pick, like Reggie Bush picked in the same draft, there was all that buzz, and well, just a solid career?

Do really you want solid from the 6th pick? and not being an offensive lineman?

For me, that's bust, maybe not Tony Mandarich bust, but a bust for that high a pick...

I think he got drafted into the wrong offense. Never played with a great QB. If we had him in his prime he’d have numbers like Gonzalez.

K Major 04-09-2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 917912)
"I'm never disappointed in a draft because I don't set myself up for disappointment."

Not even the the notorious 2014 Draft?

Brandin Cooks, WR. 2014 Draft: First Round, 20th Overall: ...

Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB. 2014 Draft: Second Round, 58th Overall. (and passing on WR Landry when we needed one in a deep WR draft because we were silly and took only Cooks instead)

Khairi Fortt, LB. 2014 Draft: Fourth Round, 126th Overall: ...
Vinnie Sunseri, S. 2014 Draft: Fifth Round, 167th Overall: ...
Ronald Powell, OLB. 2014 Draft: Fifth Round, 169th Overall: ...
Tavon Rooks, OT.

None but Cooks even in the NFL. Got the entire Scouting Dept fired and brought use ireland. That's what disappointment does. Or, as Forrest Gump's momma would say, "Stupid is what Stupid does."

What the hell was Ryan Pace thinking here?

Cooks good for a minute but the supporting cast ...

That was ugly.

saintsfan1976 04-09-2021 08:33 AM

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I was bored.

28 Christina Barmore DL
60 Caleb Farley CB (+ we sign Sherman)
98 Tylan Wallace WR
105 Davis Mills QB

jeanpierre 04-09-2021 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917929)
What the hell was Ryan Pace thinking here?

Cooks good for a minute but the supporting cast ...

That was ugly.

Pace, or Sean?

Sean won a Superbowl, one more than this franchise ever thought it'd see, but he got Don Shula life-time tenure for it. So no one can question Sean...

jeanpierre 04-09-2021 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 917928)
I think he got drafted into the wrong offense. Never played with a great QB. If we had him in his prime he’d have numbers like Gonzalez.

Maybe. But it's a bust pick if you invest that much and don't put things in place to make it all work...

But great players, as should be drafted like that, are expected to elevate irregardless of who's in place...

rezburna 04-09-2021 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917933)
Maybe. But it's a bust pick if you invest that much and don't put things in place to make it all work...

But great players, as should be drafted like that, are expected to elevate irregardless of who's in place...

True. #6 is really high to go and not go crazy.

Boston Saint 04-09-2021 10:08 AM

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