I hope we don't trade up.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2021, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m saying Davenport hasn’t worked out at the cost of two first round picks.

Considering how both picks were at the tail-end of the round it is minimalized. If they were both mid rounders you might have a point. And I stress "might". All first round picks are not created equal. Those two picks were valued as a mid-round first and that's where we got Davenport. I still have confidence Davenport will be a strong contributor for years to come.

TheOak · 04-29-2021, 12:54 PM

The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone.

Unless Winston turns out to be that game changer. There is that chance. He's more proven than any of the QB's in this year's draft.

gosaints1 · 04-29-2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Unless we are finding the next Patrick Maholmes etc, I hope we do not trade up.

There is an unfortunate narrative that we may:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-first-round/

...Patience is a virtue and nobody except a QB is worth trading up, as we see with the Falcons trying to pawn off Julio now while never getting a ring.

Most recently...,

McCoy was a successful draft day trade,
CJGJ was a successful draft day trade,
Kamara was a successful draft day trade (quite the understatement here, lol),

The jury is still out on both Trautman and Baun, who were draft day trades, but I’m excited, and hopeful that BOTH will see significant playing/starting time.

Davenport..., not so much. I liked the idea of going to get our guy, but so far it truly hasn’t been worth one first, much less two. I can separate the process from the player though, which is why I liked the move, at the time, but can say unequivocally that it just hasn’t worked out.

Regardless, as another poster recently quipped, let’s move up to go get our guy if necessary, but let’s not do it at the expense of future #1’s.

Sainters7 · 04-29-2021, 01:29 PM

It's hard to re-watch the draft clip of when Saints made that trade, as most of the analysts assumed it was for Lamar Jackson...that stings a bit in hindsight, given Davenport's oft-injured, inconsistent play, while Lamar's on the cover of the latest Madden.

And rumours are Saints are trying to move into the top 10, because they're reportedly high on Oregon Ducks OT Penei Sewell. Like Mickey/Sean are just punking us by letting rumours slip that they're going OL again, right?

papz · 04-29-2021, 01:30 PM

With the amount of capital it will cost to move up into the top 10(if that's where we want to be), it has to be a franchise player you build around... not with. I can't get behind that any other position other than quarterback if we're going to make that high of a jump from where we're at.

If the Saints swing and miss here, it will be crippling to our franchise and a lot of people are going to lose their job. This will be a big, BIG decision here. I'm more in favor to a small move up or staying put.

turbo_dog · 04-29-2021, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone.

The "experts" have changed Mac Jones from possible late first rounder to now a possible top 3 in the past two weeks.

One guy I don't hear anyone mentioning is Kyle Trask from Florida. This guy has all the tools to be an NFL QB. I wouldn't be surprised if a few teams have their eye on hime and are so quiet because they hope others aren't paying attention. Maybe it's our team?

jeanpierre · 04-29-2021, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

It's like when I take my daughter to the amusement park hoping she won't want an overpriced toy. Mickey Loomis has similar impulse control. Can someone give him a bottle of milk and hope he passes out in the stroller?

Loomis is a YesMan - he will do what Sean Payton tells him to do...

jeanpierre · 04-29-2021, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by papz

With the amount of capital it will cost to move up into the top 10(if that's where we want to be), it has to be a franchise player you build around... not with. I can't get behind that any other position other than quarterback if we're going to make that high of a jump from where we're at.

If the Saints swing and miss here, it will be crippling to our franchise and a lot of people are going to lose their job. This will be a big, BIG decision here. I'm more in favor to a small move up or staying put.

Sean Payton has Don Shula-type tenure for life, but I absolutely agree with you on the rest of this...

neugey · 04-29-2021, 02:25 PM

It'd be nice if we could trade down, given that the difference between the pick #28 and the first 15 picks in the second round is almost negligible because of this draft's depth. But other teams know this too. I'm not sure that I'd like to see the Saints trade up, but if the 28th pick is feeling kind of meh, I understand their thinking.

04-29-2021, 12:42 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m saying Davenport hasn’t worked out at the cost of two first round picks. Considering how both picks were at the tail-end of the round it is minimalized. If they were both mid rounders you might have a point. And I stress "might". All first round picks are not created equal. Those two picks were valued as a mid-round first and that's where we got Davenport. I still have confidence Davenport will be a strong contributor for years to come.

04-29-2021, 12:54 PM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: I hope we don't trade up. The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone. turbo_dog, jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by TheOak The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone. Unless Winston turns out to be that game changer. There is that chance. He's more proven than any of the QB's in this year's draft. K Major and Boston Saint like this.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by BakoSaint Unless we are finding the next Patrick Maholmes etc, I hope we do not trade up. There is an unfortunate narrative that we may: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-first-round/ ...Patience is a virtue and nobody except a QB is worth trading up, as we see with the Falcons trying to pawn off Julio now while never getting a ring. Most recently..., McCoy was a successful draft day trade, CJGJ was a successful draft day trade, Kamara was a successful draft day trade (quite the understatement here, lol), The jury is still out on both Trautman and Baun, who were draft day trades, but I’m excited, and hopeful that BOTH will see significant playing/starting time. Davenport..., not so much. I liked the idea of going to get our guy, but so far it truly hasn’t been worth one first, much less two. I can separate the process from the player though, which is why I liked the move, at the time, but can say unequivocally that it just hasn’t worked out. Regardless, as another poster recently quipped, let’s move up to go get our guy if necessary, but let’s not do it at the expense of future #1’s. iceshack149, SaintGnome and Boston Saint like this.
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Sainters7 Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 48	Re: I hope we don't trade up. It's hard to re-watch the draft clip of when Saints made that trade, as most of the analysts assumed it was for Lamar Jackson...that stings a bit in hindsight, given Davenport's oft-injured, inconsistent play, while Lamar's on the cover of the latest Madden. And rumours are Saints are trying to move into the top 10, because they're reportedly high on Oregon Ducks OT Penei Sewell. Like Mickey/Sean are just punking us by letting rumours slip that they're going OL again, right?
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turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by TheOak The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone. The "experts" have changed Mac Jones from possible late first rounder to now a possible top 3 in the past two weeks. One guy I don't hear anyone mentioning is Kyle Trask from Florida. This guy has all the tools to be an NFL QB. I wouldn't be surprised if a few teams have their eye on hime and are so quiet because they hope others aren't paying attention. Maybe it's our team?

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by BakoSaint It's like when I take my daughter to the amusement park hoping she won't want an overpriced toy. Mickey Loomis has similar impulse control. Can someone give him a bottle of milk and hope he passes out in the stroller? *Loomis is a YesMan* - he will do what Sean Payton tells him to do...** Lord_Saint83 likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by papz With the amount of capital it will cost to move up into the top 10(if that's where we want to be), it has to be a franchise player you build around... not with. I can't get behind that any other position other than quarterback if we're going to make that high of a jump from where we're at. If the Saints swing and miss here, it will be crippling to our franchise and a lot of people are going to lose their job. This will be a big, BIG decision here. I'm more in favor to a small move up or staying put. Sean Payton has Don Shula-type tenure for life, but I absolutely agree with you on the rest of this...

04-29-2021, 02:25 PM	#20
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I hope we don't trade up. It'd be nice if we could trade down, given that the difference between the pick #28 and the first 15 picks in the second round is almost negligible because of this draft's depth. But other teams know this too. I'm not sure that I'd like to see the Saints trade up, but if the 28th pick is feeling kind of meh, I understand their thinking. jeanpierre likes this.