I hope we don't trade up.

papz · 04-29-2021, 11:24 AM

If they're swinging, it better be for a franchise quarterback.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2021, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by papz

If they're swinging, it better be for a franchise quarterback.

I doubt there are more than a couple of "franchise QB's" in the entire draft. QB's are always way over-hyped.

Sainters7 · 04-29-2021, 11:26 AM

Yeah I've got a very uneasy feeling right now...we're gonna pull some crazy ish today aren't we lol

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2021, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Yeah I've got a very uneasy feeling right now...we're gonna pull some crazy ish today aren't we lol

I hope so.

TheOak · 04-29-2021, 11:54 AM

The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2021, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone.

Unless Winston turns out to be that game changer. There is that chance. He's more proven than any of the QB's in this year's draft.

TheOak · 04-29-2021, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Unless Winston turns out to be that game changer. There is that chance. He's more proven than any of the QB's in this year's draft.

I get all the possibilities Guido. The fact of the matter is that tonight, at the start of the draft, you do not have a starting QB. If you do not have one then the position is open and contrary to popular opinion I would go all in to better myself at the position that touches the ball on every snap except kicks. I also vividly remember what it was like before Drew Brees and regardless of how confident people are in our two possibilities, no one has said either is the next Drew Brees.

John Madden used to say "if you have two QBs, you do not have one"... In the NFL that has historically held true. Teams that start a season with a controversy and two QBs dont fair as well as college teams who do the same.

I would roll the dice and roll them hard

gosaints1 · 04-29-2021, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I get all the possibilities Guido. The fact of the matter is that tonight, at the start of the draft, you do not have a starting QB. If you do not have one then the position is open and contrary to popular opinion I would go all in to better myself at the position that touches the ball on every snap except kicks. I also vividly remember what it was like before Drew Brees and regardless of how confident people are in our two possibilities, no one has said either is the next Drew Brees.

John Madden used to say "if you have two QBs, you do not have one"... In the NFL that has historically held true. Teams that start a season with a controversy and two QBs dont fair as well as college teams who do the same.

I would roll the dice and roll them hard

Saints seem to be all in on the QB by committee, they tried it with Drew and Taysom, to varying degrees of success. I’m not a fan, but I’m biased towards siding with Coach Madden. That being said, when Drew was out, either with Teddy or Taysom, the Saints performed exceptionally well. Both Winston and Taysom are, imho, better QB’s than Teddy Two Gloves. Question wrt Taysom is if he is just a gadget player..., Question wrt Winston is if he has learned how to manage a game. I’m good with testing either out for a year, instead of reaching, or going all in, on a college prospect, that might need years of development behind a veteran QB anyways.

TheOak · 04-29-2021, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Saints seem to be all in on the QB by committee, they tried it with Drew and Taysom, to varying degrees of success. I’m not a fan, but I’m biased towards siding with Coach Madden. That being said, when Drew was out, either with Teddy or Taysom, the Saints performed exceptionally well. Both Winston and Taysom are, imho, better QB’s than Teddy Two Gloves. Question wrt Taysom is if he is just a gadget player..., Question wrt Winston is if he has learned how to manage a game. I’m good with testing either out for a year, instead of reaching, or going all in, on a college prospect, that might need years of development behind a veteran QB anyways.

Personally, I wouldn't call Taysom's 7 total passing attempts in 2020 while Drew was starting, QB by committee. That, to me, is a gadget.

Taysom and Teddy did show some success, Taysom and Teddy also took the field with very little if any tape on them as a QB in a Saints uniform... Much like how we struggle with rookie QBs. Taysom and Teddy also had Drew Brees on the side line... There are a lot more layers to Taysom and Teddy than just their records as starting QBs.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2021, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I get all the possibilities Guido. The fact of the matter is that tonight, at the start of the draft, you do not have a starting QB. If you do not have one then the position is open and contrary to popular opinion I would go all in to better myself at the position that touches the ball on every snap except kicks. I also vividly remember what it was like before Drew Brees and regardless of how confident people are in our two possibilities, no one has said either is the next Drew Brees.

John Madden used to say "if you have two QBs, you do not have one"... In the NFL that has historically held true. Teams that start a season with a controversy and two QBs dont fair as well as college teams who do the same.

I would roll the dice and roll them hard

Firstly, I honesty feel that Payton knows we do not have two QB's. I believe he knows full well who the starter is and that that person is Winston. Don't forget, Winston was the first overall pick in the draft, as will be Trevor Lawrence. After Lawrence there is a major drop off to QB #2 (which appears to be Wilson) which will supposedly go #2 overall. After that there is a huge drop in potential. I feel Winston is easily better than anyone after Lawrence or Wilson. If the Saints feel the same there is no reason to target a QB given those two are out of reach.

Do I think Winston is the next Drew Brees? No. I don't think the next Drew Brees is even in the draft this year. Hell, it may be ten years, or more, before we see another. And don't forget, we didn't draft our last Drew Brees.

Who is the QB (or QB's) in this draft that you are confident will be better than Jameis Winston?

04-29-2021, 11:24 AM	#1
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: I hope we don't trade up. The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone. turbo_dog, jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by TheOak The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone. Unless Winston turns out to be that game changer. There is that chance. He's more proven than any of the QB's in this year's draft. K Major and Boston Saint like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by papz If they're swinging, it better be for a franchise quarterback. I doubt there are more than a couple of "franchise QB's" in the entire draft. QB's are always way over-hyped. K Major likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Unless Winston turns out to be that game changer. There is that chance. He's more proven than any of the QB's in this year's draft. I get all the possibilities Guido. The fact of the matter is that tonight, at the start of the draft, you do not have a starting QB. If you do not have one then the position is open and contrary to popular opinion I would go all in to better myself at the position that touches the ball on every snap except kicks. I also vividly remember what it was like before Drew Brees and regardless of how confident people are in our two possibilities, no one has said either is the next Drew Brees. John Madden used to say "if you have two QBs, you do not have one"... In the NFL that has historically held true. Teams that start a season with a controversy and two QBs dont fair as well as college teams who do the same. I would roll the dice and roll them hard gosaints1 likes this.
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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by TheOak I get all the possibilities Guido. The fact of the matter is that tonight, at the start of the draft, you do not have a starting QB. If you do not have one then the position is open and contrary to popular opinion I would go all in to better myself at the position that touches the ball on every snap except kicks. I also vividly remember what it was like before Drew Brees and regardless of how confident people are in our two possibilities, no one has said either is the next Drew Brees. John Madden used to say "if you have two QBs, you do not have one"... In the NFL that has historically held true. Teams that start a season with a controversy and two QBs dont fair as well as college teams who do the same. I would roll the dice and roll them hard Saints seem to be all in on the QB by committee, they tried it with Drew and Taysom, to varying degrees of success. I’m not a fan, but I’m biased towards siding with Coach Madden. That being said, when Drew was out, either with Teddy or Taysom, the Saints performed exceptionally well. Both Winston and Taysom are, imho, better QB’s than Teddy Two Gloves. Question wrt Taysom is if he is just a gadget player..., Question wrt Winston is if he has learned how to manage a game. I’m good with testing either out for a year, instead of reaching, or going all in, on a college prospect, that might need years of development behind a veteran QB anyways.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by gosaints1 Saints seem to be all in on the QB by committee, they tried it with Drew and Taysom, to varying degrees of success. I’m not a fan, but I’m biased towards siding with Coach Madden. That being said, when Drew was out, either with Teddy or Taysom, the Saints performed exceptionally well. Both Winston and Taysom are, imho, better QB’s than Teddy Two Gloves. Question wrt Taysom is if he is just a gadget player..., Question wrt Winston is if he has learned how to manage a game. I’m good with testing either out for a year, instead of reaching, or going all in, on a college prospect, that might need years of development behind a veteran QB anyways. Personally, I wouldn't call Taysom's 7 total passing attempts in 2020 while Drew was starting, QB by committee. That, to me, is a gadget. Taysom and Teddy did show some success, Taysom and Teddy also took the field with very little if any tape on them as a QB in a Saints uniform... Much like how we struggle with rookie QBs. Taysom and Teddy also had Drew Brees on the side line... There are a lot more layers to Taysom and Teddy than just their records as starting QBs. AsylumGuido and gosaints1 like this.
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04-29-2021, 02:01 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: I hope we don't trade up. Originally Posted by TheOak I get all the possibilities Guido. The fact of the matter is that tonight, at the start of the draft, you do not have a starting QB. If you do not have one then the position is open and contrary to popular opinion I would go all in to better myself at the position that touches the ball on every snap except kicks. I also vividly remember what it was like before Drew Brees and regardless of how confident people are in our two possibilities, no one has said either is the next Drew Brees. John Madden used to say "if you have two QBs, you do not have one"... In the NFL that has historically held true. Teams that start a season with a controversy and two QBs dont fair as well as college teams who do the same. I would roll the dice and roll them hard Firstly, I honesty feel that Payton knows we do not have two QB's. I believe he knows full well who the starter is and that that person is Winston. Don't forget, Winston was the first overall pick in the draft, as will be Trevor Lawrence. After Lawrence there is a major drop off to QB #2 (which appears to be Wilson) which will supposedly go #2 overall. After that there is a huge drop in potential. I feel Winston is easily better than anyone after Lawrence or Wilson. If the Saints feel the same there is no reason to target a QB given those two are out of reach. Do I think Winston is the next Drew Brees? No. I don't think the next Drew Brees is even in the draft this year. Hell, it may be ten years, or more, before we see another. And don't forget, we didn't draft our last Drew Brees. Who is the QB (or QB's) in this draft that you are confident will be better than Jameis Winston?
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