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Unless we are finding the next Patrick Maholmes etc, I hope we do not trade up.

There is an unfortunate narrative that we may:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-first-round/

I think this narrative is flawed. Claiming we can afford to get less players because we have no holes is a joke. We lost one starting CB and have major legal troubles for the other. Our #1 receiver is recovering from injuries that sometimes have setbacks and our #2 receiver left in free agency so we are depending on TreQuiet Smith to make noise. We also let our top receiving tight end go, and I am not sure we have 1000 careeer receiving yards on the roster at the TE position. We also lost our sack leader. Our defense was great with Kwon Alexander but he got hurt, and we let his backup Mr Glass walk, so I don't know what world we are set at linebacker. So clearly we have holes on the roster.

If we want to trade our 6th and 7th round picks to move up in the 4th round thats fine, but to say we have no room on the roster for 3rd and 4th round picks is a lie. Also even if we didn't have any holes on the roster, which we obviously do, that would only free up trading this years picks. We definitely have holes on the roster for 2022, considering tons of people are not under contract or will be a year older, such as no QB under contract. But a big move would require trading next years picks too, which I really hope we don't do, as we have to give those away at 40% discount.

Also, I will tell you one player a good draft pick could displace: Marcus Davenport who we traded up for, is always injured, and plays mediocre. I will also tell you a player who was displaced by a 3rd round pick in the past: Mark Ingram, who we traded up for in the 1st round. So if history tells us anything, its that if we trade up in the 1st round because we don't have any starters who could be displaced by a rookie, we will solve that problem by overpaying for a starter who can be displaced for a rookie.

Lets be the bank this year. Collect the interest don't pay it. If we don't have holes, great, answer the calls of teams looking to trade up to our picks, take their future picks, and then we will have lots of picks in 2022 and 2023 when we will definitely have holes. If our front office can't wait until the end of the first round to pick, they should talk to their doctor about appropriate medications. Patience is a virtue and nobody except a QB is worth trading up, as we see with the Falcons trying to pawn off Julio now while never getting a ring.

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Prepare to be disappointed my friend.

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It's like when I take my daughter to the amusement park hoping she won't want an overpriced toy. Mickey Loomis has similar impulse control. Can someone give him a bottle of milk and hope he passes out in the stroller?

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I understand your points bako, but your first sentence betrays all the other points you make because the Chiefs got Mahomes BY TRADING UP. Yeah, Davenport didn’t work out, but trading picks to move into position to draft Kamara DID work out. So did trading up to get Ingram who became the teams second all time leading rusher. I’m not saying I want them to move up, but it’s certainly no Guarantee of failure.

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If they're swinging, it better be for a franchise quarterback.

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Whose to say Davenport didn't work out? He may very well end up being a perennial All Pro for all we know. He's dealt with some injuries that can and do happen to most every player at one point in their careers that have hampered his play, but he has had flashes of greatness.

As for me, I hope they do move up since that means instead of waiting for whatever happens to fall they are making certain they get exactly who they want. I'll honestly be disappointed if they do not move up ... at least once. No picks are guaranteed successes, but it has been proven that the higher the pick the odds are greater for success.

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Yeah I've got a very uneasy feeling right now...we're gonna pull some crazy ish today aren't we lol

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I hope so.

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I doubt there are more than a couple of "franchise QB's" in the entire draft. QB's are always way over-hyped.

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I’m saying Davenport hasn’t worked out at the cost of two first round picks.

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Considering how both picks were at the tail-end of the round it is minimalized. If they were both mid rounders you might have a point. And I stress "might". All first round picks are not created equal. Those two picks were valued as a mid-round first and that's where we got Davenport. I still have confidence Davenport will be a strong contributor for years to come.

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The game of football is Quarterback driven and we do not have one, and if you want to change the outcome of our games/seasons you need a game changer. Our game changer is gone.

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Unless Winston turns out to be that game changer. There is that chance. He's more proven than any of the QB's in this year's draft.

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Most recently...,

McCoy was a successful draft day trade,
CJGJ was a successful draft day trade,
Kamara was a successful draft day trade (quite the understatement here, lol),

The jury is still out on both Trautman and Baun, who were draft day trades, but I’m excited, and hopeful that BOTH will see significant playing/starting time.

Davenport..., not so much. I liked the idea of going to get our guy, but so far it truly hasn’t been worth one first, much less two. I can separate the process from the player though, which is why I liked the move, at the time, but can say unequivocally that it just hasn’t worked out.

Regardless, as another poster recently quipped, let’s move up to go get our guy if necessary, but let’s not do it at the expense of future #1’s.

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It's hard to re-watch the draft clip of when Saints made that trade, as most of the analysts assumed it was for Lamar Jackson...that stings a bit in hindsight, given Davenport's oft-injured, inconsistent play, while Lamar's on the cover of the latest Madden.

And rumours are Saints are trying to move into the top 10, because they're reportedly high on Oregon Ducks OT Penei Sewell. Like Mickey/Sean are just punking us by letting rumours slip that they're going OL again, right?

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With the amount of capital it will cost to move up into the top 10(if that's where we want to be), it has to be a franchise player you build around... not with. I can't get behind that any other position other than quarterback if we're going to make that high of a jump from where we're at.

If the Saints swing and miss here, it will be crippling to our franchise and a lot of people are going to lose their job. This will be a big, BIG decision here. I'm more in favor to a small move up or staying put.

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The "experts" have changed Mac Jones from possible late first rounder to now a possible top 3 in the past two weeks.

One guy I don't hear anyone mentioning is Kyle Trask from Florida. This guy has all the tools to be an NFL QB. I wouldn't be surprised if a few teams have their eye on hime and are so quiet because they hope others aren't paying attention. Maybe it's our team?

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It'd be nice if we could trade down, given that the difference between the pick #28 and the first 15 picks in the second round is almost negligible because of this draft's depth. But other teams know this too. I'm not sure that I'd like to see the Saints trade up, but if the 28th pick is feeling kind of meh, I understand their thinking.

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As he should. Payton has been right the vast majority of his tenure with the Saints.

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I don’t like trading up unless it is for a QB or you are one player away from being a major Super Bowl contender and you move up to fill that one need. If the reports are true that this trade up is for a non-QB than I’m not a big fan because we are more than one player away from being a top contender.

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I get all the possibilities Guido. The fact of the matter is that tonight, at the start of the draft, you do not have a starting QB. If you do not have one then the position is open and contrary to popular opinion I would go all in to better myself at the position that touches the ball on every snap except kicks. I also vividly remember what it was like before Drew Brees and regardless of how confident people are in our two possibilities, no one has said either is the next Drew Brees.


John Madden used to say "if you have two QBs, you do not have one"... In the NFL that has historically held true. Teams that start a season with a controversy and two QBs dont fair as well as college teams who do the same.

I would roll the dice and roll them hard :bng:

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Trading up increases your chances of getting an impact player. There's a reason later picks are later. It's because statistically speaking they garner a less successful player. Of course, not in every case, but statistically, yes.

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Saints seem to be all in on the QB by committee, they tried it with Drew and Taysom, to varying degrees of success. I’m not a fan, but I’m biased towards siding with Coach Madden. That being said, when Drew was out, either with Teddy or Taysom, the Saints performed exceptionally well. Both Winston and Taysom are, imho, better QB’s than Teddy Two Gloves. Question wrt Taysom is if he is just a gadget player..., Question wrt Winston is if he has learned how to manage a game. I’m good with testing either out for a year, instead of reaching, or going all in, on a college prospect, that might need years of development behind a veteran QB anyways.

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Firstly, I honesty feel that Payton knows we do not have two QB's. I believe he knows full well who the starter is and that that person is Winston. Don't forget, Winston was the first overall pick in the draft, as will be Trevor Lawrence. After Lawrence there is a major drop off to QB #2 (which appears to be Wilson) which will supposedly go #2 overall. After that there is a huge drop in potential. I feel Winston is easily better than anyone after Lawrence or Wilson. If the Saints feel the same there is no reason to target a QB given those two are out of reach.

Do I think Winston is the next Drew Brees? No. I don't think the next Drew Brees is even in the draft this year. Hell, it may be ten years, or more, before we see another. And don't forget, we didn't draft our last Drew Brees.

;)

Who is the QB (or QB's) in this draft that you are confident will be better than Jameis Winston?

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Personally, I wouldn't call Taysom's 7 total passing attempts in 2020 while Drew was starting, QB by committee. That, to me, is a gadget.

Taysom and Teddy did show some success, Taysom and Teddy also took the field with very little if any tape on them as a QB in a Saints uniform... Much like how we struggle with rookie QBs. Taysom and Teddy also had Drew Brees on the side line... There are a lot more layers to Taysom and Teddy than just their records as starting QBs.

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I expect that Taysom will resume that gadget role and will be happy with it as he has the right attitude. With Payton and company designing the offense I can see Winston being successful in that starting role. Not as successful as Brees, perhaps, but more potential for success than anything obtainable in the draft this year.

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The catch there brother is that when Drew Brees was in the draft, no one thought he would be Drew Brees either. Payton has an eye for QBs, I do believe he also had some words of influence getting Romo drafted in Dallas.


I promise you that Hill will go down a few games and that leaves us with Teddy and no back up. Winston only has 3 of 5 16 game seasons in Tampa so when he goes down Hill is all we have. Again, go all in and put you next franchise QB in a position to be there when you absolutely need him. Kind of like that 7th rounder.. what was his name... Tom Brady? I know Brady was a seventh rounder but if Payton is doing diligence to move up I trust that he has a very good reason.:bng:

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And if the QB whisperer, Payton, agrees with me and knows there is no franchise worthy QB in the 2021 draft after Lawrence, and maybe Wilson?

And how many QB's drafted after let's say the 2nd round have turned out to be "franchise" quality in the history of the NFL? Not many. Most drafted in the first round do not end up being "franchise" quality.

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Wow! You are all over the place and it's almost all wrong.

1. Romo wasn't drafted. He was a college free agent.
2. Brady was drafted in the 6th round, not the 7th.
3. What does Teddy have to do with any of this? Hint: Teddy just got traded to the Broncos.
4. Franchise QBs don't just fall off trees in any round, including the first. There are exactly 0 QBs drafted between 2011 and 2016 (including Winston) that remain with the team that drafted them.

Frankly, I'm disgusted at your dismissiveness of Winston as a franchise QB. Winston has more TDs and only 2 less wins than Brees did when he arrived here in 2006. One was lauded as the savior of the franchise, which he turned out to be. The other dismissed as a massive failure. Makes no sense to me.

Winston may not be a HOF QB like Brees or Brady. But I think it's dumb to dismiss as a potential franchise a QB that has pulled off game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks. A QB that threw for 5000+ yards and 33 TDs in his last full season. Let's not forget that Tampa was a mess 12 games into last season until Brady essentially took the reigns as GM and offensive coordinator and turned the ship around. But he brought 20 years of championship experience and the best coaching in the league into that mix. Jameis up until now has been mired in a mess of changing coaches and schemes with no rhyme or reason.

But he has CSP and Loomis now. An experienced championship team that knows what they are doing and puts QBs into the best position to win.

I advise stop running around with your hair on fire, let CSP, Loomis, and Ireland do what they do in the draft, and look forward to a different, but hopefully excellent Postbreesian (tm to Guido) era of Saints football.

SFIAH

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And the wife is wondering why I am applauding the computer.

:chug:

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Bravo! And many have said as much before. You don’t throw for 5,000 yards and 33 TDs if you aren’t a “starting QB” , I don’t care if it came with 30 INTs.

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It's a lot easier to teach someone how not to lose a game than to win one. Winston can be coached to throw the ball away, or take a sack, or to simply dump off to the outlet. In Tampa due to poor scheme and poor line, he had to play hero ball all the time.

SFIAH

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You are drifting Guido, that is a lot of ifs and I have been replying under the premise of the OP which is that he is preparing for something that is higher in the first round.

I'll go along with you though just for fun. If he does "agree with you" can you please get t it on video? :bng:

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I am absolutely hoping he is planning on something higher in the first round. And I hope like hell it isn't a QB. Then again, I would be shocked if it was. I'll record it when he says it, though, if you wish.

:D

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Put me down for trading up for Justin Fields