Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 09:34 AM

After sleeping on things...it’s still a head scratcher. I see the arguments and I’m not as “upset” as I was last night. I could, and hopefully am, be shown wrong, but the players “value” was not near the 28th pick he was selected at. Even if he ends up being defensive rookie of the year, the question will always exist of the likelihood of him have been there around pick number 60 as most had him slated and who they did not take.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

After sleeping on things...it’s still a head scratcher. I see the arguments and I’m not as “upset” as I was last night. I could, and hopefully am, be shown wrong, but the players “value” was not near the 28th pick he was selected at. Even if he ends up being defensive rookie of the year, the question will always exist of the likelihood of him have been there around pick number 60 as most had him slated and who they did not take.

What gives you the idea that he would still be there at 60 or that he wasn't valued at 28? Something you read from others that really don't know either? These people that come up with these ranking do not have a whole staff that spends hundreds of hours researching these players. Nor do they have the opportunity to interview these players multiple times. According to Turner himself his agent told him to expect to be picked between 20 and 40 and that's just right where he went.

This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense.

The only way to know a player's true draft value is to wait until he is drafted.

K Major · 04-30-2021, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense.

Hey now, I'm still one of the best NFL/CBS/ESPN NETWORK internet couch coaching GM's around

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What gives you the idea that he would still be there at 60 or that he wasn't valued at 28? Something you read from others that really don't know either? These people that come up with these ranking do not have a whole staff that spends hundreds of hours researching these players. Nor do they have the opportunity to interview these players multiple times. According to Turner himself his agent told him to expect to be picked between 20 and 40 and that's just right where he went.

This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense.

The only way to know a player's true draft value is to wait until he is drafted.

I said the likelihood of him being there. The reason I bring that up is, as it’s been pointed out, the highest any draft speculation had him going was 60 according to Chris. Obviously it’s an Inexact science, but so is horse racing and I would take a person’s advice that is knowledgeable at the track vs a novice.

They could have taken the risk of drafting another player(one of more need since, as best, he will be part of a rotation at DE and the team is in need of a good LB say) at 28 and trading up in the second for Payton. By most accounts, they overpaid.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I said the likelihood of him being there. The reason I bring that up is, as it’s been pointed out, the highest any draft speculation had him going was 60 according to Chris. Obviously it’s an Inexact science, but so is horse racing and I would take a person’s advice that is knowledgeable at the track vs a novice.

They could have taken the risk of drafting another player(one of more need since, as best, he will be part of a rotation at DE and the team is in need of a good LB say) at 28 and trading up in the second for Payton. By most accounts, they overpaid.

The person who's advice you are taking is a novice as compared to those that actually do the real drafting. That's the point. You are placing your trust in someone who is underqualified based upon lack of resources and access.

And as for those "most accounts", those are the same people.

You are proposing that the Saints draft for need over drafting who they have determined is the best player available. I certainly hope they never do that.

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 10:17 AM

No I’m not. You’re wrong

04-30-2021, 09:34 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick After sleeping on things...it’s still a head scratcher. I see the arguments and I’m not as “upset” as I was last night. I could, and hopefully am, be shown wrong, but the players “value” was not near the 28th pick he was selected at. Even if he ends up being defensive rookie of the year, the question will always exist of the likelihood of him have been there around pick number 60 as most had him slated and who they did not take.

04-30-2021, 09:49 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint After sleeping on things...it’s still a head scratcher. I see the arguments and I’m not as “upset” as I was last night. I could, and hopefully am, be shown wrong, but the players “value” was not near the 28th pick he was selected at. Even if he ends up being defensive rookie of the year, the question will always exist of the likelihood of him have been there around pick number 60 as most had him slated and who they did not take. What gives you the idea that he would still be there at 60 or that he wasn't valued at 28? Something you read from others that really don't know either? These people that come up with these ranking do not have a whole staff that spends hundreds of hours researching these players. Nor do they have the opportunity to interview these players multiple times. According to Turner himself his agent told him to expect to be picked between 20 and 40 and that's just right where he went. This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense. The only way to know a player's true draft value is to wait until he is drafted. SmashMouth and K Major like this.
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04-30-2021, 09:55 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense. Hey now, I'm still one of the best NFL/CBS/ESPN NETWORK internet couch coaching GM's around AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and st thomas like this.

04-30-2021, 10:10 AM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What gives you the idea that he would still be there at 60 or that he wasn't valued at 28? Something you read from others that really don't know either? These people that come up with these ranking do not have a whole staff that spends hundreds of hours researching these players. Nor do they have the opportunity to interview these players multiple times. According to Turner himself his agent told him to expect to be picked between 20 and 40 and that's just right where he went. This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense. The only way to know a player's true draft value is to wait until he is drafted. I said the likelihood of him being there. The reason I bring that up is, as it’s been pointed out, the highest any draft speculation had him going was 60 according to Chris. Obviously it’s an Inexact science, but so is horse racing and I would take a person’s advice that is knowledgeable at the track vs a novice. They could have taken the risk of drafting another player(one of more need since, as best, he will be part of a rotation at DE and the team is in need of a good LB say) at 28 and trading up in the second for Payton. By most accounts, they overpaid.
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04-30-2021, 10:16 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint I said the likelihood of him being there. The reason I bring that up is, as it’s been pointed out, the highest any draft speculation had him going was 60 according to Chris. Obviously it’s an Inexact science, but so is horse racing and I would take a person’s advice that is knowledgeable at the track vs a novice. They could have taken the risk of drafting another player(one of more need since, as best, he will be part of a rotation at DE and the team is in need of a good LB say) at 28 and trading up in the second for Payton. By most accounts, they overpaid. The person who's advice you are taking is a novice as compared to those that actually do the real drafting. That's the point. You are placing your trust in someone who is underqualified based upon lack of resources and access. And as for those "most accounts", those are the same people. You are proposing that the Saints draft for need over drafting who they have determined is the best player available. I certainly hope they never do that.

04-30-2021, 10:17 AM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick No I’m not. You’re wrong