Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick

04-30-2021, 09:07 AM

A 6.70 3-cone time for a DE is insane.

WW_Who_Dat · 04-30-2021, 09:07 AM

The CB’s I think merited 1st round consideration were gone yet 28th pick and from story line the Saints tried to move up but were locked out. Some of the LB’ers they were looking at are still there in the second round. I follow Saints as close as anybody and I have to agree with AG all the sideline GM’s know is what PR colllegiate and statistics that form their opinions which interesting conversation but in the end you might not like the choices and moves but I trust Sean Mickey and Jeff .... I like this pick ... never heard of him just goes too show.

voodooido · 04-30-2021, 09:41 AM

Honestly surprised we didn’t trade up for a needed position. I don’t like the pick but they obviously went with the bpa on their board. I know we are “just fans” but everyone sees the glaring needs we have. I just hope they fill these needs Friday. Hopefully everyone is wrong

K Major · 04-30-2021, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Honestly surprised we didn’t trade up for a needed position. I don’t like the pick but they obviously went with the bpa on their board. I know we are “just fans” but everyone sees the glaring needs we have. I just hope they fill these needs Friday. Hopefully everyone is wrong

"If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them." BUDDY RYAN

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

"If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them." BUDDY RYAN

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Honestly surprised we didn’t trade up for a needed position. I don’t like the pick but they obviously went with the bpa on their board. I know we are “just fans” but everyone sees the glaring needs we have. I just hope they fill these needs Friday. Hopefully everyone is wrong

It takes two to Tango. You can't trade up if no one is willing to trade down. If you draft strictly for need you will likely pass up better talent.

saintfan · 04-30-2021, 10:24 AM

I would have traded up and gone CB - didn't work out. Not going to complain about going with DE tho. Games are still won (and lost) up front.

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 10:34 AM

After sleeping on things...it’s still a head scratcher. I see the arguments and I’m not as “upset” as I was last night. I could, and hopefully am, be shown wrong, but the players “value” was not near the 28th pick he was selected at. Even if he ends up being defensive rookie of the year, the question will always exist of the likelihood of him have been there around pick number 60 as most had him slated and who they did not take.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

After sleeping on things...it’s still a head scratcher. I see the arguments and I’m not as “upset” as I was last night. I could, and hopefully am, be shown wrong, but the players “value” was not near the 28th pick he was selected at. Even if he ends up being defensive rookie of the year, the question will always exist of the likelihood of him have been there around pick number 60 as most had him slated and who they did not take.

What gives you the idea that he would still be there at 60 or that he wasn't valued at 28? Something you read from others that really don't know either? These people that come up with these ranking do not have a whole staff that spends hundreds of hours researching these players. Nor do they have the opportunity to interview these players multiple times. According to Turner himself his agent told him to expect to be picked between 20 and 40 and that's just right where he went.

This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense.

The only way to know a player's true draft value is to wait until he is drafted.

K Major · 04-30-2021, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense.

Hey now, I'm still one of the best NFL/CBS/ESPN NETWORK internet couch coaching GM's around

04-30-2021, 09:07 AM	#31
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04-30-2021, 09:07 AM	#32
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick The CB’s I think merited 1st round consideration were gone yet 28th pick and from story line the Saints tried to move up but were locked out. Some of the LB’ers they were looking at are still there in the second round. I follow Saints as close as anybody and I have to agree with AG all the sideline GM’s know is what PR colllegiate and statistics that form their opinions which interesting conversation but in the end you might not like the choices and moves but I trust Sean Mickey and Jeff .... I like this pick ... never heard of him just goes too show. AsylumGuido, Sainters7, ChrisXVI and 1 others like this.

04-30-2021, 09:41 AM	#33
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Honestly surprised we didn’t trade up for a needed position. I don’t like the pick but they obviously went with the bpa on their board. I know we are “just fans” but everyone sees the glaring needs we have. I just hope they fill these needs Friday. Hopefully everyone is wrong
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04-30-2021, 09:44 AM	#34
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by voodooido Honestly surprised we didn’t trade up for a needed position. I don’t like the pick but they obviously went with the bpa on their board. I know we are “just fans” but everyone sees the glaring needs we have. I just hope they fill these needs Friday. Hopefully everyone is wrong "If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them." BUDDY RYAN leilung, AsylumGuido and darksoul35 like this.

04-30-2021, 09:52 AM	#35
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04-30-2021, 09:55 AM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by voodooido Honestly surprised we didn’t trade up for a needed position. I don’t like the pick but they obviously went with the bpa on their board. I know we are “just fans” but everyone sees the glaring needs we have. I just hope they fill these needs Friday. Hopefully everyone is wrong It takes two to Tango. You can't trade up if no one is willing to trade down. If you draft strictly for need you will likely pass up better talent.

04-30-2021, 10:24 AM	#37
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick I would have traded up and gone CB - didn't work out. Not going to complain about going with DE tho. Games are still won (and lost) up front. SmashMouth likes this.

04-30-2021, 10:34 AM	#38
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick After sleeping on things...it’s still a head scratcher. I see the arguments and I’m not as “upset” as I was last night. I could, and hopefully am, be shown wrong, but the players “value” was not near the 28th pick he was selected at. Even if he ends up being defensive rookie of the year, the question will always exist of the likelihood of him have been there around pick number 60 as most had him slated and who they did not take.

04-30-2021, 10:49 AM	#39
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint After sleeping on things...it’s still a head scratcher. I see the arguments and I’m not as “upset” as I was last night. I could, and hopefully am, be shown wrong, but the players “value” was not near the 28th pick he was selected at. Even if he ends up being defensive rookie of the year, the question will always exist of the likelihood of him have been there around pick number 60 as most had him slated and who they did not take. What gives you the idea that he would still be there at 60 or that he wasn't valued at 28? Something you read from others that really don't know either? These people that come up with these ranking do not have a whole staff that spends hundreds of hours researching these players. Nor do they have the opportunity to interview these players multiple times. According to Turner himself his agent told him to expect to be picked between 20 and 40 and that's just right where he went. This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense. The only way to know a player's true draft value is to wait until he is drafted. SmashMouth and K Major like this.
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04-30-2021, 10:55 AM	#40
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This is why I have always thought this pick prognostication business is meaningless. None of them have the access or the resources to fully know what they are doing and it simply results in the general public buying into their nonsense. Hey now, I'm still one of the best NFL/CBS/ESPN NETWORK internet couch coaching GM's around AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and st thomas like this.