Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2021, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Starting experience can be a bit overrated. I have a hunch Book could be like Gardner Minschew and able to get in there and do fairly well from the outset.

Possibly in a more simplistic scheme, but with all of the multiple packages and reads at the line I think any QB would take some time to begin to feel comfortable back there ... rookie or veteran. Timing is key in this offense and that requires no hesitation from everyone involved. Sure, Payton could "dumb it down" some, but experience is vital. Thus the reason Hill was the starter last season and Winston should be this season. I can't imagine either of the other two QB's playing more than the game day backup role this season.

voodooido · 05-25-2021, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

So, what you are saying is that you don't trust CSP. Unlike his previous coaches, CSP is going to design a playbook that maximizes the potential of the player and minimizes the risk. And specifically, as both Brees and Winston have stated, the QB gets input into the game plan, incorporating plays that both feel are the most effective and makes them the QB the most comfortable.

The biggest difference is that Winston will no longer have to play hero ball all the time. With a solid run game and a decent defense, he'll have the opportunity to be a distributor most of the time.

SFIAH

If that’s the way you want to put it then yes, if SP believes in JW, I don’t trust him. He has much more experience and is much more educated but that’s my belief, not his. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see him being the future of the black and gold.

Boston Saint · 05-25-2021, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

If that’s the way you want to put it then yes, if SP believes in JW, I don’t trust him. He has much more experience and is much more educated but that’s my belief, not his. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see him being the future of the black and gold.

Fair enough! Time will tell.

TheOak · 05-26-2021, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The uses of Winston and Hill last season was perfectly logical. The fact that you feel Payton may make what you feel as an irrational decision at times doesn't negate that fact.

Like a chameleon you shift from Nostradamus to Spock after Boston makes a comment that plays to your ego, then you actually post a meme to further cheer your self on LOL... You are drowning in your own narcissism. My comments have never been about what is the best or most logical choice, if you actually read what I have written. The discussion has always been about you using that template to claim to know what the outcome will be and me telling you that Sean Payton (you know, the man that makes the decision) is just not that predictable. Spock takes all possible variables into account, you do not, you are choosing to ignore a very impactful one.

After reading this, Spock would look at you and in a Morgan Freeman voice say "He is right you know"...

Boston Saint · 05-26-2021, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Like a chameleon you shift from Nostradamus to Spock after Boston makes a comment that plays to your ego, then you actually post a meme to further cheer your self on LOL......

I was playing to both egos in all fairness. Kirk kicks ass.

AsylumGuido · 05-26-2021, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Like a chameleon you shift from Nostradamus to Spock after Boston makes a comment that plays to your ego, then you actually post a meme to further cheer your self on LOL... You are drowning in your own narcissism. My comments have never been about what is the best or most logical choice, if you actually read what I have written. The discussion has always been about you using that template to claim to know what the outcome will be and me telling you that Sean Payton (you know, the man that makes the decision) is just not that predictable. Spock takes all possible variables into account, you do not, you are choosing to ignore a very impactful one.

After reading this, Spock would look at you and in a Morgan Freeman voice say "He is right you know"...

I never implied I could read the future. I can, however, take what has been demonstrated in the past consistently and extrapolate that to the future with what I believe is fairly high probability. It is simple analysis. It is an important part of what I did professionally for 25 years as a business and systems analyst.

Does that mean it will work out exactly as I described? No. But I would be extremely surprised if it didn't.

Rugby Saint II · 05-26-2021, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I never implied I could read the future. I can, however, take what has been demonstrated in the past consistently and extrapolate that to the future with what I believe is fairly high probability. It is simple analysis. It is an important part of what I did professionally for 25 years as a business and systems analyst.

Does that mean it will work out exactly as I described? No. But I would be extremely surprised if it didn't.

Guido thinks like an analyst. He is Spock! I knew it!

05-25-2021, 11:46 AM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by neugey Starting experience can be a bit overrated. I have a hunch Book could be like Gardner Minschew and able to get in there and do fairly well from the outset. Possibly in a more simplistic scheme, but with all of the multiple packages and reads at the line I think any QB would take some time to begin to feel comfortable back there ... rookie or veteran. Timing is key in this offense and that requires no hesitation from everyone involved. Sure, Payton could "dumb it down" some, but experience is vital. Thus the reason Hill was the starter last season and Winston should be this season. I can't imagine either of the other two QB's playing more than the game day backup role this season.

05-25-2021, 05:13 PM	#22
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,751	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL So, what you are saying is that you don't trust CSP. Unlike his previous coaches, CSP is going to design a playbook that maximizes the potential of the player and minimizes the risk. And specifically, as both Brees and Winston have stated, the QB gets input into the game plan, incorporating plays that both feel are the most effective and makes them the QB the most comfortable. The biggest difference is that Winston will no longer have to play hero ball all the time. With a solid run game and a decent defense, he'll have the opportunity to be a distributor most of the time. SFIAH If that’s the way you want to put it then yes, if SP believes in JW, I don’t trust him. He has much more experience and is much more educated but that’s my belief, not his. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see him being the future of the black and gold.
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05-25-2021, 06:53 PM	#23
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,877	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by voodooido If that’s the way you want to put it then yes, if SP believes in JW, I don’t trust him. He has much more experience and is much more educated but that’s my belief, not his. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see him being the future of the black and gold. Fair enough! Time will tell.

05-26-2021, 04:10 AM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The uses of Winston and Hill last season was perfectly logical. The fact that you feel Payton may make what you feel as an irrational decision at times doesn't negate that fact. Like a chameleon you shift from Nostradamus to Spock after Boston makes a comment that plays to your ego, then you actually post a meme to further cheer your self on LOL... You are drowning in your own narcissism. My comments have never been about what is the best or most logical choice, if you actually read what I have written. The discussion has always been about you using that template to claim to know what the outcome will be and me telling you that Sean Payton (you know, the man that makes the decision) is just not that predictable. Spock takes all possible variables into account, you do not, you are choosing to ignore a very impactful one. After reading this, Spock would look at you and in a Morgan Freeman voice say "He is right you know"...
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

05-26-2021, 06:50 AM	#25
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,877	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by TheOak Like a chameleon you shift from Nostradamus to Spock after Boston makes a comment that plays to your ego, then you actually post a meme to further cheer your self on LOL...... I was playing to both egos in all fairness. Kirk kicks ass.

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05-26-2021, 08:27 AM	#26
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by TheOak Like a chameleon you shift from Nostradamus to Spock after Boston makes a comment that plays to your ego, then you actually post a meme to further cheer your self on LOL... You are drowning in your own narcissism. My comments have never been about what is the best or most logical choice, if you actually read what I have written. The discussion has always been about you using that template to claim to know what the outcome will be and me telling you that Sean Payton (you know, the man that makes the decision) is just not that predictable. Spock takes all possible variables into account, you do not, you are choosing to ignore a very impactful one. After reading this, Spock would look at you and in a Morgan Freeman voice say "He is right you know"... I never implied I could read the future. I can, however, take what has been demonstrated in the past consistently and extrapolate that to the future with what I believe is fairly high probability. It is simple analysis. It is an important part of what I did professionally for 25 years as a business and systems analyst. Does that mean it will work out exactly as I described? No. But I would be extremely surprised if it didn't.

05-26-2021, 12:24 PM	#27
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I never implied I could read the future. I can, however, take what has been demonstrated in the past consistently and extrapolate that to the future with what I believe is fairly high probability. It is simple analysis. It is an important part of what I did professionally for 25 years as a business and systems analyst. Does that mean it will work out exactly as I described? No. But I would be extremely surprised if it didn't. Guido thinks like an analyst. He is Spock! I knew it!