Does the Saints locker room want Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill?

rezburna · 05-27-2021, 11:02 AM

Just for the sake of speculation, I’d bet good money most of the starters want Winston.

AsylumGuido · 05-27-2021, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Just for the sake of speculation, I’d bet good money most of the starters want Winston.

You wouldn't be getting any of mine.

The Dude · 05-27-2021, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Just for the sake of speculation, I’d bet good money most of the starters want Winston.

I agree. He’s taken major steps to bond and create chemistry. Not saying that Taysom hasn’t but I imagine there was a conversation that went kind of like this:

Taysom-“Hey fellas you wanna come on over so we can go over some stuff?”

Everyone else-“ Nah man we good, we will be over here. Thanks though!”

To be nice they may ask him if he wants to come out and block or something.

The part in the video that pointed out a decision needs to be made sooner rather than later so they can have time to install an offense was a fair point. I’m excited and will be behind whoever as long as they are doing their part to help us win games. I really don’t see how fans can play favorites. The best man for the job will get it and that’s what we should all hope for. Part of what makes Winston the best man for the job is having Hill available to fill his role in the offense. As others have said.

AsylumGuido · 05-27-2021, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I agree. He’s taken major steps to bond and create chemistry. Not saying that Taysom hasn’t but I imagine there was a conversation that went kind of like this:

Taysom-“Hey fellas you wanna come on over so we can go over some stuff?”

Everyone else-“ Nah man we good, we will be over here. Thanks though!”

To be nice they may ask him if he wants to come out and block or something.

The part in the video that pointed out a decision needs to be made sooner rather than later so they can have time to install an offense was a fair point. I’m excited and will be behind whoever as long as they are doing their part to help us win games. I really don’t see how fans can play favorites. The best man for the job will get it and that’s what we should all hope for. Part of what makes Winston the best man for the job is having Hill available to fill his role in the offense. As others have said.

100%

Rugby Saint II · 05-29-2021, 01:58 PM

Taysom will get an even chance to start but I believe that Winston will win the training camp battle. Most people seem to agree but we'll see at TC who looks better. I'm pulling for the better man to win and not one player I like better for the job.

st thomas · 05-31-2021, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Taysom will get an even chance to start but I believe that Winston will win the training camp battle. Most people seem to agree but we'll see at TC who looks better. I'm pulling for the better man to win and not one player I like better for the job.

I’m seeing it that way also let’s roll

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SmashMouth · 05-31-2021, 03:48 AM

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neugey · 06-01-2021, 09:14 AM

If Kamara as a rookie could beat out Ingram and Peterson for serious playing time, I can't rule out Book beating out Hill and Winston. Yes Book has a ton to learn in a short time, but if he delights in training camp and feels like the best option, Payton won't look past Book for the principle of "playing it safe".

AsylumGuido · 06-01-2021, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

If Kamara as a rookie could beat out Ingram and Peterson for serious playing time, I can't rule out Book beating out Hill and Winston. Yes Book has a ton to learn in a short time, but if he delights in training camp and feels like the best option, Payton won't look past Book for the principle of "playing it safe".

When Brees got injured last season it was Hill that became the regular starter based upon the fact that he knew the full playbook far better than Winston. The same applies to Book now to even a greater degree. BOTH Winston and Hill know the full playbook far better than Book and both have far more experience as professionals. I cannot see any scenario short of both Hill and Winston suffering significant injuries that would result in Book starting a game this season. and even under that scenario I can see the Saints bringing in someone like Siemian instead.

That said, I would love to see Book emerge as the eventual starter in the future based upon his proving he is the best option. Next off-season could be interesting when it comes to the QB competition. Or Winston could conceivably solidify himself as the long term starter with a successful season.

Thirty3 · 06-01-2021, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

When Brees got injured last season it was Hill that became the regular starter based upon the fact that he knew the full playbook far better than Winston. The same applies to Book now to even a greater degree. BOTH Winston and Hill know the full playbook far better than Book and both have far more experience as professionals. I cannot see any scenario short of both Hill and Winston suffering significant injuries that would result in Book starting a game this season. and even under that scenario I can see the Saints bringing in someone like Siemian instead.

That said, I would love to see Book emerge as the eventual starter in the future based upon his proving he is the best option. Next off-season could be interesting when it comes to the QB competition. Or Winston could conceivably solidify himself as the long term starter with a successful season.

So, you're saying it's a FACT that Winston didn't know the playbook by WEEK 11 well enough is why Taysom started over him. If the guy didn't know it well enough to start by WEEK 11, 12, 13, and 14 ----- Will he ever?
Also I cannot think of a quarterback in HIS FIRST FOUR STARTS - EVER - that completed 72.7 percent of his passes. That includes Winston who had a dismal 58.32% percent in his first year. (i couldn't break down the first 4 games.) In 2019 WITH ALL HIS experience HE COULD ONLY MANAGE 63.64% see below for his career stats:
2020 New Orleans Saints 4 11 7 63.64 75 6.8 19 0 0 5 45.45 0 2 11 83.5
2019 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 626 380 60.7 5109 8.2 71 33 30 243 38.82 75 47 282 84.3
2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 11 378 244 64.55 2992 7.9 64 19 14 152 40.21 34 27 157 90.2
2017 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 442 282 63.8 3504 7.9 70 19 11 180 40.72 32 33 207 92.2
2016 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 567 345 60.85 4090 7.2 45 28 18 214 37.74 43 35 239 86.1
2015 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 535 312 58.32 4042 7.6 68 22 15 201 37.57 57 27 190 84.2
TOTAL 76 2559 1570 61.35 19812 7.7 337 121 88 995 38.88 241 171 1086 86.9

PS Don't forget Taysom broke all of Steve Young's records at BYU. But sure (tongue in cheek) "he's more valuable to us as a swiss army knife."
No, I am not a Mormon...not even close. But the guy can play Quarterback (better than Winston) and has PROVEN it.

05-27-2021, 11:02 AM	#1
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,063	Re: Does the Saints locker room want Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill? Originally Posted by rezburna Just for the sake of speculation, I’d bet good money most of the starters want Winston. I agree. He’s taken major steps to bond and create chemistry. Not saying that Taysom hasn’t but I imagine there was a conversation that went kind of like this: Taysom-“Hey fellas you wanna come on over so we can go over some stuff?” Everyone else-“ Nah man we good, we will be over here. Thanks though!” To be nice they may ask him if he wants to come out and block or something. The part in the video that pointed out a decision needs to be made sooner rather than later so they can have time to install an offense was a fair point. I’m excited and will be behind whoever as long as they are doing their part to help us win games. I really don’t see how fans can play favorites. The best man for the job will get it and that’s what we should all hope for. Part of what makes Winston the best man for the job is having Hill available to fill his role in the offense. As others have said. AsylumGuido and rezburna like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Does the Saints locker room want Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill? Originally Posted by The Dude I agree. He’s taken major steps to bond and create chemistry. Not saying that Taysom hasn’t but I imagine there was a conversation that went kind of like this: Taysom-“Hey fellas you wanna come on over so we can go over some stuff?” Everyone else-“ Nah man we good, we will be over here. Thanks though!” To be nice they may ask him if he wants to come out and block or something. The part in the video that pointed out a decision needs to be made sooner rather than later so they can have time to install an offense was a fair point. I’m excited and will be behind whoever as long as they are doing their part to help us win games. I really don’t see how fans can play favorites. The best man for the job will get it and that’s what we should all hope for. Part of what makes Winston the best man for the job is having Hill available to fill his role in the offense. As others have said. 100%

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Does the Saints locker room want Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Taysom will get an even chance to start but I believe that Winston will win the training camp battle. Most people seem to agree but we'll see at TC who looks better. I'm pulling for the better man to win and not one player I like better for the job. I’m seeing it that way also let’s roll Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Rugby Saint II likes this.

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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,876 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Does the Saints locker room want Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill? If Kamara as a rookie could beat out Ingram and Peterson for serious playing time, I can't rule out Book beating out Hill and Winston. Yes Book has a ton to learn in a short time, but if he delights in training camp and feels like the best option, Payton won't look past Book for the principle of "playing it safe".

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Does the Saints locker room want Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill? Originally Posted by neugey If Kamara as a rookie could beat out Ingram and Peterson for serious playing time, I can't rule out Book beating out Hill and Winston. Yes Book has a ton to learn in a short time, but if he delights in training camp and feels like the best option, Payton won't look past Book for the principle of "playing it safe". When Brees got injured last season it was Hill that became the regular starter based upon the fact that he knew the full playbook far better than Winston. The same applies to Book now to even a greater degree. BOTH Winston and Hill know the full playbook far better than Book and both have far more experience as professionals. I cannot see any scenario short of both Hill and Winston suffering significant injuries that would result in Book starting a game this season. and even under that scenario I can see the Saints bringing in someone like Siemian instead. That said, I would love to see Book emerge as the eventual starter in the future based upon his proving he is the best option. Next off-season could be interesting when it comes to the QB competition. Or Winston could conceivably solidify himself as the long term starter with a successful season.
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06-01-2021, 06:25 PM	#10
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Does the Saints locker room want Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido When Brees got injured last season it was Hill that became the regular starter based upon the fact that he knew the full playbook far better than Winston. The same applies to Book now to even a greater degree. BOTH Winston and Hill know the full playbook far better than Book and both have far more experience as professionals. I cannot see any scenario short of both Hill and Winston suffering significant injuries that would result in Book starting a game this season. and even under that scenario I can see the Saints bringing in someone like Siemian instead. That said, I would love to see Book emerge as the eventual starter in the future based upon his proving he is the best option. Next off-season could be interesting when it comes to the QB competition. Or Winston could conceivably solidify himself as the long term starter with a successful season. So, you're saying it's a FACT that Winston didn't know the playbook by WEEK 11 well enough is why Taysom started over him. If the guy didn't know it well enough to start by WEEK 11, 12, 13, and 14 ----- Will he ever? Also I cannot think of a quarterback in HIS FIRST FOUR STARTS - EVER - that completed 72.7 percent of his passes. That includes Winston who had a dismal 58.32% percent in his first year. (i couldn't break down the first 4 games.) In 2019 WITH ALL HIS experience HE COULD ONLY MANAGE 63.64% see below for his career stats: 2020 New Orleans Saints 4 11 7 63.64 75 6.8 19 0 0 5 45.45 0 2 11 83.5 2019 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 626 380 60.7 5109 8.2 71 33 30 243 38.82 75 47 282 84.3 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 11 378 244 64.55 2992 7.9 64 19 14 152 40.21 34 27 157 90.2 2017 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 442 282 63.8 3504 7.9 70 19 11 180 40.72 32 33 207 92.2 2016 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 567 345 60.85 4090 7.2 45 28 18 214 37.74 43 35 239 86.1 2015 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 535 312 58.32 4042 7.6 68 22 15 201 37.57 57 27 190 84.2 TOTAL 76 2559 1570 61.35 19812 7.7 337 121 88 995 38.88 241 171 1086 86.9 PS Don't forget Taysom broke all of Steve Young's records at BYU. But sure (tongue in cheek) "he's more valuable to us as a swiss army knife." No, I am not a Mormon...not even close. But the guy can play Quarterback (better than Winston) and has PROVEN it. jnormand and jeanpierre like this.
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