Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Maybe you have that confused look on your face because you're comment very much misses critical pieces of the puzzle? Also maybe because college stats are irrelevant once a player has been in the NFL a few seasons and played the position?

Doesn't matter, the question is what are you missing or what did you leave out in your analysis Guido?

I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up. You always have angles and since you are pushing one heavily you need to tell the whole story. Forums are like being in court, once you open a door it is all fair game.

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Facts right here, it’s how I feel also.

Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench.

Can either of you argue that point?

And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point.

TheOak · 06-09-2021, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench.

Can either of you argue that point?

And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point.

My point of contention resides with this sole statement "He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents."

You took the time to identify how much better the opponents Winston faced were in contrast to the opponents that Hill faced.

This is a team sport Guido, neither of those QBs faced an opponent alone and if you know college football as well as I assume you do, then you know what Hills supporting cast looked like compared to Winston's. A very quick look at how many players were drafted from BYU in to the NFL during Hills time vs how many players were drafted from Florida State tells a story. Winston had multiple offensive players drafted while he was at Florida and in his draft class from Florida... Hill himself wasn't even drafted just as a handful of NFL great QBs weren't drafted.

AsylumGuido · 06-09-2021, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

My point of contention resides with this sole statement "He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents."

You took the time to identify how much better the opponents Winston faced were in contrast to the opponents that Hill faced.

This is a team sport Guido, neither of those QBs faced an opponent alone and if you know college football as well as I assume you do, then you know what Hills supporting cast looked like compared to Winston's. A very quick look at how many players were drafted from BYU in to the NFL during Hills time vs how many players were drafted from Florida State tells a story. Winston had multiple offensive players drafted while he was at Florida and in his draft class from Florida... Hill himself wasn't even drafted just as a handful of NFL great QBs weren't drafted.

Once again, Oak, I agree with you that the college stats are irrelevant. I was only replying in kind to Thirty3 who had tried to use Hill's college play (erroneously claiming that Taysom had broken all of Steve Youngs records) as support for Hill being better than Winston.

Oh, and I don't really follow college football. I of course know the conferences and their relative strengths, but I can seldom name more than a couple of players and that's only after Heisman hype begins.

06-07-2021, 09:21 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by TheOak Maybe you have that confused look on your face because you're comment very much misses critical pieces of the puzzle? Also maybe because college stats are irrelevant once a player has been in the NFL a few seasons and played the position? Doesn't matter, the question is what are you missing or what did you leave out in your analysis Guido? I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up. You always have angles and since you are pushing one heavily you need to tell the whole story. Forums are like being in court, once you open a door it is all fair game. Originally Posted by gosaints1 Facts right here, it’s how I feel also. Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench. Can either of you argue that point? And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point.
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06-09-2021, 08:23 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench. Can either of you argue that point? And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point. My point of contention resides with this sole statement "He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents." You took the time to identify how much better the opponents Winston faced were in contrast to the opponents that Hill faced. This is a team sport Guido, neither of those QBs faced an opponent alone and if you know college football as well as I assume you do, then you know what Hills supporting cast looked like compared to Winston's. A very quick look at how many players were drafted from BYU in to the NFL during Hills time vs how many players were drafted from Florida State tells a story. Winston had multiple offensive players drafted while he was at Florida and in his draft class from Florida... Hill himself wasn't even drafted just as a handful of NFL great QBs weren't drafted. jnormand likes this.
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06-09-2021, 08:38 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by TheOak My point of contention resides with this sole statement "He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents." You took the time to identify how much better the opponents Winston faced were in contrast to the opponents that Hill faced. This is a team sport Guido, neither of those QBs faced an opponent alone and if you know college football as well as I assume you do, then you know what Hills supporting cast looked like compared to Winston's. A very quick look at how many players were drafted from BYU in to the NFL during Hills time vs how many players were drafted from Florida State tells a story. Winston had multiple offensive players drafted while he was at Florida and in his draft class from Florida... Hill himself wasn't even drafted just as a handful of NFL great QBs weren't drafted. Once again, Oak, I agree with you that the college stats are irrelevant. I was only replying in kind to Thirty3 who had tried to use Hill's college play (erroneously claiming that Taysom had broken all of Steve Youngs records) as support for Hill being better than Winston. Oh, and I don't really follow college football. I of course know the conferences and their relative strengths, but I can seldom name more than a couple of players and that's only after Heisman hype begins.