Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

Boston Saint · 06-09-2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Who is giving him a pass? If those QB’s were on the Saints rosters after having horrible seasons wrt interceptions, I would be making the EXACT same argument that I am now. Those QB’s are all retired though, their stats and careers are history..., aka the past. What we’re discussing is the future. And anybody who says I don’t trust Winston to not throw a crapton of int’s has a legitimate point.

Winston could be the best thing in a Saints uni since crunchy peanut butter was introduced to the consumer market, lol. Entirely possible, entirely possible the opposite will happen. It’s not fair to compare already finished and completed careers to one that is in process. We, at least I, just don’t know the future. You know my arguments, lol, I’ve been very critical of Drew Brees this past year, and was called a “hater” many times, just for my criticism of his arm strength and ability to push the ball vertically. First ballot HOFer or not, the guy I want starting at QB is not the guy who says:

“I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw,
I know I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw...,
What do I have left in my toolbox”

I’m excited about the future, Hill, Winston..., or heck, maybe even Ian Book, or someone else!

May the best player get the start, stay healthy, and lead the Saints to many championships!!!

As far as Winston’s stats go? 88 int’s in 70 starts. That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much. You may evaluate turnovers differently though.

That’s fair reasoning. But I will also point out he has 120 TDs in those 70 starts too. That’s more than a lot of QBs got in their first 70 games. Not to mention the yards. I’ve done a bit of diving into the “run support” Winston has while Qbing at Tampa. Let’s just say it’s been less than stellar. But hell, I hate being forced into this support Winston position. I’m only pointing out that he has a lot of potential and I disagree with writing him off.

AsylumGuido · 06-09-2021, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Who is giving him a pass? If those QB’s were on the Saints rosters after having horrible seasons wrt interceptions, I would be making the EXACT same argument that I am now. Those QB’s are all retired though, their stats and careers are history..., aka the past. What we’re discussing is the future. And anybody who says I don’t trust Winston to not throw a crapton of int’s has a legitimate point.

Winston could be the best thing in a Saints uni since crunchy peanut butter was introduced to the consumer market, lol. Entirely possible, entirely possible the opposite will happen. It’s not fair to compare already finished and completed careers to one that is in process. We, at least I, just don’t know the future. You know my arguments, lol, I’ve been very critical of Drew Brees this past year, and was called a “hater” many times, just for my criticism of his arm strength and ability to push the ball vertically. First ballot HOFer or not, the guy I want starting at QB is not the guy who says:

“I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw,
I know I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw...,
What do I have left in my toolbox”

I’m excited about the future, Hill, Winston..., or heck, maybe even Ian Book, or someone else!

May the best player get the start, stay healthy, and lead the Saints to many championships!!!

As far as Winston’s stats go? 88 int’s in 70 starts. That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much. You may evaluate turnovers differently though.

What do you think about 100 interceptions in a QB's first 80 games? How about 251 interceptions in 265 career games? Some guy named Peyton Manning put up those numbers.

Or how about 336 picks in 298 games? Some guy named Brett Favre did that in his career.

"That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much."

Rugby Saint II · 06-09-2021, 02:24 PM

Taysom Hill just needs to show up ready to go through his progressions faster. Study film like Drew does and look at all the options on each and every play. Whoever has the better grasp of the playbook and can read protections while not throwing interceptions will take the reigns from Drew this year.

iceshack149 · 06-09-2021, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Who is giving him a pass? If those QB’s were on the Saints rosters after having horrible seasons wrt interceptions, I would be making the EXACT same argument that I am now. Those QB’s are all retired though, their stats and careers are history..., aka the past. What we’re discussing is the future. And anybody who says I don’t trust Winston to not throw a crapton of int’s has a legitimate point.

Winston could be the best thing in a Saints uni since crunchy peanut butter was introduced to the consumer market, lol. Entirely possible, entirely possible the opposite will happen. It’s not fair to compare already finished and completed careers to one that is in process. We, at least I, just don’t know the future. You know my arguments, lol, I’ve been very critical of Drew Brees this past year, and was called a “hater” many times, just for my criticism of his arm strength and ability to push the ball vertically. First ballot HOFer or not, the guy I want starting at QB is not the guy who says:

“I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw,
I know I can’t make that throw,
I can’t make that throw...,
What do I have left in my toolbox”

I’m excited about the future, Hill, Winston..., or heck, maybe even Ian Book, or someone else!

May the best player get the start, stay healthy, and lead the Saints to many championships!!!

As far as Winston’s stats go? 88 int’s in 70 starts. That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much. You may evaluate turnovers differently though.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What do you think about 100 interceptions in a QB's first 80 games? How about 251 interceptions in 265 career games? Some guy named Peyton Manning put up those numbers.

Or how about 336 picks in 298 games? Some guy named Brett Favre did that in his career.

"That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much."

I don't understand why you make arguments out of bits and pieces of people's discussions. It's misleading. Politicians and media members do that and it's abhorrent.

AsylumGuido · 06-09-2021, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Taysom Hill just needs to show up ready to go through his progressions faster. Study film like Drew does and look at all the options on each and every play. Whoever has the better grasp of the playbook and can read protections while not throwing interceptions will take the reigns from Drew this year.

Easier said than done. Some QB's never get some of that down. Hill has to first go through a progression before he can do it faster. All he seemed to handle was first look, dump off, or run ... or hold on and get sacked.

AsylumGuido · 06-09-2021, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I don't understand why you make arguments out of bits and pieces of people's discussions. It's misleading. Politicians and media members do that and it's abhorrent.

Sorry I abhor you. No. Not really.

You appear to abhor easily.

Rugby Saint II · 06-09-2021, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Easier said than done. Some QB's never get some of that down. Hill has to first go through a progression before he can do it faster. All he seemed to handle was first look, dump off, or run ... or hold on and get sacked.

That's what I see too. A good NFL coordinator will shut that down fast. And unfortunately Hill's deep ball is not all that accurate as I recall.

dizzle88 · 06-09-2021, 05:05 PM

I enjoyed seeing Taysom play, however Kamara is non existent with Taysom at QB. He either looks away from him or throws a 90mph fastball at him from 5 yards away (see philly game), he has no touch on his passes and it shows badly.
We can't have Kamara being a decoy, he is far too good of a player.

For that reason I say start Jameis and see what he can do, if he becomes a turnover machine, it's only a 1 year deal, let Taysom or Ian Book have a shot mid season if its really bad and if the season goes belly up, then we are in a spot to select a QB to build around.

TheOak · 06-10-2021, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from.

I speak for no one but myself. I take the league recognizing existence and its subsequent actions on any topic with a grain of salt. If we give credence to everything the league recognizes, then takes action on, we should start with bounties lol no? I am also Gen-X and believe that the NFL should stick to matters of football mostly because of the incompetence of the league and people like Kaepernick who may have the right reasons but do the wrong thing and damage the efforts of many great people who have bettered racial relations in our country. Neither silence nor screaming progress anything.

The NFL is a marketing machine, not a special interest group as are 99% of all of the companies with rainbow logos this month, they want to appeal to wallets.

The NFL recognizes and takes action only on items that have financial implications or liability (a potential to increase revenues or lower profits). While that can be said about all businesses, it does not make them evil, it just makes them both predictable and disingenuous. The greater percentage of the public waits daily, like baby birds, with their mouths open in anticipation of what partially digested mess a marketing department will regurgitated onto them.

On the matter of what someone said.. well brother for every statement made an opposing statement can be found. Are you looking for truth? Good luck with that.. Are you looking for a debate/argument? There is one around every corner.... Are you just genuinely curious like I tend to be, then you are looking for more questions....

'A wolf does not concern it self with the opinions of sheep'. As cheesy as that statement may be it is not terribly bad advice. Let the sheep bahh all the want, it is not like they are going anywhere soon.

To Rez's point, we can not help our thoughts we can only help how we act upon our thoughts. Society gives mixed messages on that topic, social justice wants you to act upon your thoughts or perception of racism... no one wants you to not act upon your thoughts of suicide. With the overarching message being follow your feelings or your gut, If everyone did, there would be a lot more funerals.

I have a general rule, I am willing to discuss race, politics, and religion as long as no one gets racial, political, or religious. Subjective emotion is a sh1t-show.

06-09-2021, 01:01 PM	#101
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by gosaints1 Who is giving him a pass? If those QB’s were on the Saints rosters after having horrible seasons wrt interceptions, I would be making the EXACT same argument that I am now. Those QB’s are all retired though, their stats and careers are history..., aka the past. What we’re discussing is the future. And anybody who says I don’t trust Winston to not throw a crapton of int’s has a legitimate point. Winston could be the best thing in a Saints uni since crunchy peanut butter was introduced to the consumer market, lol. Entirely possible, entirely possible the opposite will happen. It’s not fair to compare already finished and completed careers to one that is in process. We, at least I, just don’t know the future. You know my arguments, lol, I’ve been very critical of Drew Brees this past year, and was called a “hater” many times, just for my criticism of his arm strength and ability to push the ball vertically. First ballot HOFer or not, the guy I want starting at QB is not the guy who says: “I can’t make that throw, I can’t make that throw, I know I can’t make that throw, I can’t make that throw..., What do I have left in my toolbox” I’m excited about the future, Hill, Winston..., or heck, maybe even Ian Book, or someone else! May the best player get the start, stay healthy, and lead the Saints to many championships!!! As far as Winston’s stats go? 88 int’s in 70 starts. That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much. You may evaluate turnovers differently though. That’s fair reasoning. But I will also point out he has 120 TDs in those 70 starts too. That’s more than a lot of QBs got in their first 70 games. Not to mention the yards. I’ve done a bit of diving into the “run support” Winston has while Qbing at Tampa. Let’s just say it’s been less than stellar. But hell, I hate being forced into this support Winston position. I’m only pointing out that he has a lot of potential and I disagree with writing him off. gosaints1 likes this.

06-09-2021, 01:04 PM	#102
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by gosaints1 Who is giving him a pass? If those QB’s were on the Saints rosters after having horrible seasons wrt interceptions, I would be making the EXACT same argument that I am now. Those QB’s are all retired though, their stats and careers are history..., aka the past. What we’re discussing is the future. And anybody who says I don’t trust Winston to not throw a crapton of int’s has a legitimate point. Winston could be the best thing in a Saints uni since crunchy peanut butter was introduced to the consumer market, lol. Entirely possible, entirely possible the opposite will happen. It’s not fair to compare already finished and completed careers to one that is in process. We, at least I, just don’t know the future. You know my arguments, lol, I’ve been very critical of Drew Brees this past year, and was called a “hater” many times, just for my criticism of his arm strength and ability to push the ball vertically. First ballot HOFer or not, the guy I want starting at QB is not the guy who says: “I can’t make that throw, I can’t make that throw, I know I can’t make that throw, I can’t make that throw..., What do I have left in my toolbox” I’m excited about the future, Hill, Winston..., or heck, maybe even Ian Book, or someone else! May the best player get the start, stay healthy, and lead the Saints to many championships!!! As far as Winston’s stats go? 88 int’s in 70 starts. That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much. You may evaluate turnovers differently though. What do you think about 100 interceptions in a QB's first 80 games? How about 251 interceptions in 265 career games? Some guy named Peyton Manning put up those numbers. Or how about 336 picks in 298 games? Some guy named Brett Favre did that in his career. "That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much."

06-09-2021, 02:24 PM	#103
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,250	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Taysom Hill just needs to show up ready to go through his progressions faster. Study film like Drew does and look at all the options on each and every play. Whoever has the better grasp of the playbook and can read protections while not throwing interceptions will take the reigns from Drew this year. jnormand, SaintGnome and Boston Saint like this.

06-09-2021, 02:27 PM	#104
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,488 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by gosaints1 Who is giving him a pass? If those QB’s were on the Saints rosters after having horrible seasons wrt interceptions, I would be making the EXACT same argument that I am now. Those QB’s are all retired though, their stats and careers are history..., aka the past. What we’re discussing is the future. And anybody who says I don’t trust Winston to not throw a crapton of int’s has a legitimate point. Winston could be the best thing in a Saints uni since crunchy peanut butter was introduced to the consumer market, lol. Entirely possible, entirely possible the opposite will happen. It’s not fair to compare already finished and completed careers to one that is in process. We, at least I, just don’t know the future. You know my arguments, lol, I’ve been very critical of Drew Brees this past year, and was called a “hater” many times, just for my criticism of his arm strength and ability to push the ball vertically. First ballot HOFer or not, the guy I want starting at QB is not the guy who says: “I can’t make that throw, I can’t make that throw, I know I can’t make that throw, I can’t make that throw..., What do I have left in my toolbox” I’m excited about the future, Hill, Winston..., or heck, maybe even Ian Book, or someone else! May the best player get the start, stay healthy, and lead the Saints to many championships!!! As far as Winston’s stats go? 88 int’s in 70 starts. That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much. You may evaluate turnovers differently though. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What do you think about 100 interceptions in a QB's first 80 games? How about 251 interceptions in 265 career games? Some guy named Peyton Manning put up those numbers. Or how about 336 picks in 298 games? Some guy named Brett Favre did that in his career. "That’s more than one int every game he’s started. Bad? That’s subjective. Me? I’m not ok with turning the ball over that much." I don't understand why you make arguments out of bits and pieces of people's discussions. It's misleading. Politicians and media members do that and it's abhorrent. gosaints1 likes this.

06-09-2021, 02:31 PM	#105
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Taysom Hill just needs to show up ready to go through his progressions faster. Study film like Drew does and look at all the options on each and every play. Whoever has the better grasp of the playbook and can read protections while not throwing interceptions will take the reigns from Drew this year. Easier said than done. Some QB's never get some of that down. Hill has to first go through a progression before he can do it faster. All he seemed to handle was first look, dump off, or run ... or hold on and get sacked. Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.

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06-09-2021, 02:33 PM	#106
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by iceshack149 I don't understand why you make arguments out of bits and pieces of people's discussions. It's misleading. Politicians and media members do that and it's abhorrent. Sorry I abhor you. No. Not really. You appear to abhor easily.

06-09-2021, 03:11 PM	#107
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,250	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Easier said than done. Some QB's never get some of that down. Hill has to first go through a progression before he can do it faster. All he seemed to handle was first look, dump off, or run ... or hold on and get sacked. That's what I see too. A good NFL coordinator will shut that down fast. And unfortunately Hill's deep ball is not all that accurate as I recall.

06-09-2021, 05:05 PM	#108
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,693	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB I enjoyed seeing Taysom play, however Kamara is non existent with Taysom at QB. He either looks away from him or throws a 90mph fastball at him from 5 yards away (see philly game), he has no touch on his passes and it shows badly. We can't have Kamara being a decoy, he is far too good of a player. For that reason I say start Jameis and see what he can do, if he becomes a turnover machine, it's only a 1 year deal, let Taysom or Ian Book have a shot mid season if its really bad and if the season goes belly up, then we are in a spot to select a QB to build around.
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06-10-2021, 08:05 AM	#109
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,061	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from. I speak for no one but myself. I take the league recognizing existence and its subsequent actions on any topic with a grain of salt. If we give credence to everything the league recognizes, then takes action on, we should start with bounties lol no? I am also Gen-X and believe that the NFL should stick to matters of football mostly because of the incompetence of the league and people like Kaepernick who may have the right reasons but do the wrong thing and damage the efforts of many great people who have bettered racial relations in our country. Neither silence nor screaming progress anything. The NFL is a marketing machine, not a special interest group as are 99% of all of the companies with rainbow logos this month, they want to appeal to wallets. The NFL recognizes and takes action only on items that have financial implications or liability (a potential to increase revenues or lower profits). While that can be said about all businesses, it does not make them evil, it just makes them both predictable and disingenuous. The greater percentage of the public waits daily, like baby birds, with their mouths open in anticipation of what partially digested mess a marketing department will regurgitated onto them. On the matter of what someone said.. well brother for every statement made an opposing statement can be found. Are you looking for truth? Good luck with that.. Are you looking for a debate/argument? There is one around every corner.... Are you just genuinely curious like I tend to be, then you are looking for more questions.... 'A wolf does not concern it self with the opinions of sheep'. As cheesy as that statement may be it is not terribly bad advice. Let the sheep bahh all the want, it is not like they are going anywhere soon. To Rez's point, we can not help our thoughts we can only help how we act upon our thoughts. Society gives mixed messages on that topic, social justice wants you to act upon your thoughts or perception of racism... no one wants you to not act upon your thoughts of suicide. With the overarching message being follow your feelings or your gut, If everyone did, there would be a lot more funerals. I have a general rule, I am willing to discuss race, politics, and religion as long as no one gets racial, political, or religious. Subjective emotion is a sh1t-show. iceshack149, jnormand, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.
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