David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance

07-16-2021, 05:48 PM

Hopefully they'll find something in the supplement. Its been found plenty if times before that these can be tainted while supposedly fine for athlete. If he can prove that then theres a good chance of no suspension.

K Major · 07-17-2021, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

I like Tuttle but it ends there.

Yep & me too but Ninja Tuttle is a 3 tech that can play NT but not for 4 quarters (see Eagles game). The good thing is that the Saints front office brass/coaching staff have sufficient time to adjust & make necessary moves (signing another vet) if we need to. Just another challenge we'll have to overcome.

Even with losing David for a bunch of games, not having adequate corners (PRob/Crawley/PJ) on those boundaries is even scarier.

Big holes to fill but good organizations find a way.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2021, 09:31 AM

If players are given an approved list of supplements, is there something more than a competitive advantage that causes them to deviate from the NFL list?

Rugby Saint II · 07-17-2021, 09:58 AM

Roger Gohell hates the Saints and I'll be surprised if it gets reduced.

ChrisXVI · 07-17-2021, 10:41 AM

The Saints loved DT Da’shawn Hand in the 2018 draft. He’s become a bit of a forgotten man in Detroit with the drafting of Levi Onwuzurike and Alim McNeill to go with Michael Brockers. Might be an option to trade a late round pick for Hand.

jnormand · 07-17-2021, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

The Saints loved DT Da’shawn Hand in the 2018 draft. He’s become a bit of a forgotten man in Detroit with the drafting of Levi Onwuzurike and Alim McNeill to go with Michael Brockers. Might be an option to trade a late round pick for Hand.

Any relation to Norman?

Hand has been injured a lot. But I agree, he's still very young and has quite a bit of potential.

iceshack149 · 07-17-2021, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Any relation to Norman?

Hand has been injured a lot. But I agree, he's still very young and has quite a bit of potential.

I was curious as well...

Da'Shawn Hand

Hand was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, fathered by Sharif Hand, who was a junior in high school when Da'Shawn was born.[2] Hand's uncle, Damone Boone, was a Parade All-American running back at West Springfield in Virginia in the mid-1990s.[3][4]
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8mskKpw_VnIsI2

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2021, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If players are given an approved list of supplements, is there something more than a competitive advantage that causes them to deviate from the NFL list?

Therein lies the issue. The "list of approved supplements" is hosted by a third party, Aegis Shield. All they do is verify ingrediant labels do not contain a banned substance. If they don't have it in their database the player can submit a copy of the ingredient list. The problem is that sometimes the products are tainted by unlisted ingredients.

This is from the NFLPA's Drug Policies and Resources page:

"The NFLPA does not approve supplements. The AegisShield app is available to help players check the list of ingredients on supplement labels against the NFL’s list of banned substances. This does not mean that taking a supplement will be safe as far as the NFL is concerned. Supplements can contain substances not listed on the labels, and the NFL holds you responsible for anything in your bodies, even if you take a substance accidentally. The final responsibility rests with you to ensure that you do not take a banned substance."

These players are not taking something they know is banned for any competitive advantage. They would have to load up on something to gain anything material and then they would know there would be no way to avoid getting caught. I've heard that virtually every case deals with unlisted ingredients even on products listed as safe. The only way to be totally assured would be to avoid supplements altogether and that's not going to happen.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2021, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Therein lies the issue. The "list of approved supplements" is hosted by a third party, Aegis Shield. All they do is verify ingrediant labels do not contain a banned substance. If they don't have it in their database the player can submit a copy of the ingredient list. The problem is that sometimes the products are tainted by unlisted ingredients.

This is from the NFLPA's Drug Policies and Resources page:

"The NFLPA does not approve supplements. The AegisShield app is available to help players check the list of ingredients on supplement labels against the NFL’s list of banned substances. This does not mean that taking a supplement will be safe as far as the NFL is concerned. Supplements can contain substances not listed on the labels, and the NFL holds you responsible for anything in your bodies, even if you take a substance accidentally. The final responsibility rests with you to ensure that you do not take a banned substance."

These players are not taking something they know is banned for any competitive advantage. They would have to load up on something to gain anything material and then they would know there would be no way to avoid getting caught. I've heard that virtually every case deals with unlisted ingredients even on products listed as safe. The only way to be totally assured would be to avoid supplements altogether and that's not going to happen.

So you know Onyemata took something tainted from the third-party approved list?

saintsfan1976 · 07-17-2021, 01:19 PM

Substance abuse suspensions since 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ootball_League

'10 - 20
'11 - 21
'12 - 40
'13 - 37
'14 - 41
'15 - 54
'16 - 55
'17 - 37
'18 - 31
'19 - 5
'20 - 2

I wonder the reasons for the spike and subsequent decrease in suspensions.

07-16-2021, 05:48 PM	#21
Threaded by lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,716 Blog Entries: 1 Rating: (0 votes - average) Hopefully they'll find something in the supplement. Its been found plenty if times before that these can be tainted while supposedly fine for athlete. If he can prove that then theres a good chance of no suspension.
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07-17-2021, 07:55 AM	#22
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by darksoul35 I like Tuttle but it ends there. Yep & me too but Ninja Tuttle is a 3 tech that can play NT but not for 4 quarters (see Eagles game). The good thing is that the Saints front office brass/coaching staff have sufficient time to adjust & make necessary moves (signing another vet) if we need to. Just another challenge we'll have to overcome. Even with losing David for a bunch of games, not having adequate corners (PRob/Crawley/PJ) on those boundaries is even scarier. Big holes to fill but good organizations find a way. Rugby Saint II and ChrisXVI like this.

07-17-2021, 09:31 AM	#23
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance If players are given an approved list of supplements, is there something more than a competitive advantage that causes them to deviate from the NFL list?

07-17-2021, 09:58 AM	#24
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,720	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Roger Gohell hates the Saints and I'll be surprised if it gets reduced.

07-17-2021, 10:41 AM	#25
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07-17-2021, 10:49 AM	#26
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,530	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by ChrisXVI The Saints loved DT Da’shawn Hand in the 2018 draft. He’s become a bit of a forgotten man in Detroit with the drafting of Levi Onwuzurike and Alim McNeill to go with Michael Brockers. Might be an option to trade a late round pick for Hand. Any relation to Norman? Hand has been injured a lot. But I agree, he's still very young and has quite a bit of potential.

07-17-2021, 11:12 AM	#27
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,085 Blog Entries: 1	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by jnormand Any relation to Norman? Hand has been injured a lot. But I agree, he's still very young and has quite a bit of potential. I was curious as well... Da'Shawn Hand Hand was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, fathered by Sharif Hand, who was a junior in high school when Da'Shawn was born.[2] Hand's uncle, Damone Boone, was a Parade All-American running back at West Springfield in Virginia in the mid-1990s.[3][4] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8mskKpw_VnIsI2

07-17-2021, 11:15 AM	#28
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by jeanpierre If players are given an approved list of supplements, is there something more than a competitive advantage that causes them to deviate from the NFL list? Therein lies the issue. The "list of approved supplements" is hosted by a third party, Aegis Shield. All they do is verify ingrediant labels do not contain a banned substance. If they don't have it in their database the player can submit a copy of the ingredient list. The problem is that sometimes the products are tainted by unlisted ingredients. This is from the NFLPA's Drug Policies and Resources page: "The NFLPA does not approve supplements. The AegisShield app is available to help players check the list of ingredients on supplement labels against the NFL’s list of banned substances. This does not mean that taking a supplement will be safe as far as the NFL is concerned. Supplements can contain substances not listed on the labels, and the NFL holds you responsible for anything in your bodies, even if you take a substance accidentally. The final responsibility rests with you to ensure that you do not take a banned substance." These players are not taking something they know is banned for any competitive advantage. They would have to load up on something to gain anything material and then they would know there would be no way to avoid getting caught. I've heard that virtually every case deals with unlisted ingredients even on products listed as safe. The only way to be totally assured would be to avoid supplements altogether and that's not going to happen.
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07-17-2021, 12:51 PM	#29
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Therein lies the issue. The "list of approved supplements" is hosted by a third party, Aegis Shield. All they do is verify ingrediant labels do not contain a banned substance. If they don't have it in their database the player can submit a copy of the ingredient list. The problem is that sometimes the products are tainted by unlisted ingredients. This is from the NFLPA's Drug Policies and Resources page: "The NFLPA does not approve supplements. The AegisShield app is available to help players check the list of ingredients on supplement labels against the NFL’s list of banned substances. This does not mean that taking a supplement will be safe as far as the NFL is concerned. Supplements can contain substances not listed on the labels, and the NFL holds you responsible for anything in your bodies, even if you take a substance accidentally. The final responsibility rests with you to ensure that you do not take a banned substance." These players are not taking something they know is banned for any competitive advantage. They would have to load up on something to gain anything material and then they would know there would be no way to avoid getting caught. I've heard that virtually every case deals with unlisted ingredients even on products listed as safe. The only way to be totally assured would be to avoid supplements altogether and that's not going to happen. So you know Onyemata took something tainted from the third-party approved list?

07-17-2021, 01:19 PM	#30
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,530 Blog Entries: 3	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Substance abuse suspensions since 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ootball_League '10 - 20 '11 - 21 '12 - 40 '13 - 37 '14 - 41 '15 - 54 '16 - 55 '17 - 37 '18 - 31 '19 - 5 '20 - 2 I wonder the reasons for the spike and subsequent decrease in suspensions. SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.