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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre So you know Onyemata took something tainted from the third-party approved list? Get real, JP. Of course not. I'm saying nobody is stupid enough to knowingly take something that they know will cause a positive test. ...
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07-17-2021, 03:17 PM | #31 |
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Get real, JP. Of course not. I'm saying nobody is stupid enough to knowingly take something that they know will cause a positive test. That is beyond ridiculous. That leaves taking something on Aegis Shield's approved list that was tainted or taking something that was not on the list, yet had an ingredient list NOT including a banned substance that was indeed present.
If the Onyemata camp was having all of his supplements tested to identify the culprit it would mean that they know none of the ingredient lists on said supplements included a banned substance. I will repeat, this is the case in virtually every banned substance violation. Players have been gripping about this for years. I can't remember the player, but it was a few years back that he compared it to Russian Roulette. The companies that make these supplements also produce supplements for the general public that can contain the components banned for NFL players. Cross contamination is always a possibility. But, that is still on the player, fair or not. Check out this story on banned substance contamination from February of last year. Illegal Contact: Banned drugs found in athletic performance supplements Nashville, Tennessee (InvestigateTV) – Taylor Lewan was worried about the impact playing professional football would have on his life after the game. Specifically, he said he was worried about his brain and being able to spend meaningful time with his young daughter as she grows up. So, he took supplements with the goal of keeping his brain healthy while continuing to play a violent game. Those supplements got him into trouble. The 6-foot-7, more than 300-pound offensive tackle has given and taken his share of hits in his six seasons with the Tennessee Titans. He started the 2018 season with a collision during week one that put him in the NFL’s concussion protocol. Lewan then started the 2019 season missing four games after the NFL suspended him. The league hit him with the penalty after he tested positive for banned substances during a May drug screening. He tested positive for Ostarine, which is a drug that has been banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) for more than a decade. The drug is sometimes illegally marketed and sold as a supplement for body-building. But Lewan said during a team-hosted news conference that he didn’t intentionally take Ostarine. He blamed contamination. He said the supplements he took with advice from a nutritionist and his doctors were tainted. “I just wanted to make it clear to [fans] that I didn’t take anything knowingly,” Lewan said. “I’ve never done anything knowingly that would cheat the game.” Lewan is far from the only high-caliber athlete who has tested positive for banned substances and claimed they had no intention of doping. Notably, Clemson went into the 2019 national championship football game missing three players – all found with Ostarine in their systems. “I love this team and my family too much to even think about putting a substance like that in my body,” said Dexter Lawrence, who played for Clemson at the time and now plays for the New York Giants. “I don’t know where it came from. I don’t know how it got there.” And, it’s a plausible scenario, according to scientists who study supplements. There is repeated evidence that unintentional contamination happens, particularly because of haphazard manufacturing processes. Some athletes have proven their contamination cases in court or to their sports organizations. Scientists unaffiliated with teams or specific sports have found supplements laced with heavy metals, mold – and steroids and steroid-similar compounds. Those contaminated supplements, according to athletes, sports attorneys and scientists are easily found online. But they are also found in grocery stores, sports nutrition stores, and gyms. “The dietary supplement industry has some of the finest manufacturing facilities and brands in the world, but it also has a low threshold for entry and has some pretty scary things out there,” said David Trosin, who manages the dietary supplement certification program for NSF International, the laboratory that helped develop the national standards for the industry. When Trosin began working for NSF about 12 years ago, WADA had banned 108 substances. There are now 272 banned, with WADA continuously researching and adding more. Some of those drugs, such as Ostarine, are not only banned in professional, collegiate and Olympic sports – because they are not FDA-approved, they are also illegal to sell for human consumption. But InvestigateTV has found them to be readily available to purchase, which experts said is why the substances are popping up in other supplements. A manufacturer making a banned substance may taint a batch of another supplement because of poor quality control. For most people, a professional athletic career is not at stake. But NSF said anyone buying supplements should be concerned about contamination. For nearly a decade, Deuce McAllister suited up for the New Orleans Saints, the team he’d grown up watching as a kid growing up in Mississippi. He was a first-round draft pick in 2001 and a powerhouse running back in the NFL, frequently leading his division in yards. But toward the end of his career, he made headlines with two fellow Saints players for something else: Violating the league’s drug policy. It all happened, he said, because he was trying to drop weight. “We were in the weight room, as far as lifting. You would go in the sauna, the steam room, and try to sweat the weight out, sweat away the extra pounds,” McAllister said. For McAllister, that meant staying at 218 pounds when he began his career and 237 by the time he retired. The penalty if he didn’t hit weight: He owed the team money. “You had to weigh in. And if you were over weight, your prescribed weight by the coach as well as the strength and conditioning coach, you got fined for it,” McAllister said. In trying to keep his weight down, McAllister turned to using diuretics. He said for four years he’d used the same product, as had many other athletes he knew. But in 2008, he said that same diuretic tripped his drug test. He tested positive for a specific diuretic that is banned because it can be used to mask steroid use. McAllister said his usual diuretic was contaminated, and he was devastated because he said he played clean. “I never wanted to cheat the game,” he said. “If I knew that it was something that was going to put a negative stain on my name and what I had worked for, I’d never have [taken the diuretic].” McAllister said he even had the product checked by trainers. “They sent it over, the product was tested, and … not that particular batch was tainted, but another batch was tainted,” he said. He also said the particular product was easily accessible for all consumers like many products marketed as supplements. -------------------------------------------------------- There's much more in the article documenting cases of tainted supplements and such. |
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Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976
Probably because the original list of banned substances back in 2008 was numbered at 108. As of February last year it had been increased to 272 banned substances. Most likely recently the products containing those substances have been identified to the players better.
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07-17-2021, 03:28 PM | #33 |
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Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976
Drug policy changed in '14 and in '20...
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07-17-2021, 03:28 PM | #34 |
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Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Then why the misdirection of your post?
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07-17-2021, 03:49 PM | #37 |
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Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
Before we rush to judgement one way or another, only Onyemata knows for sure what he was taking unless he was slipped a mickey...
Players often are looking for a competitive edge, and there is no finite list of masking agents to stay ahead of enforcement... Onyemata is going to have to make his case or he's going to have to change his ways as he has the means on his own now to do so... Either way, after having one brush up with NFL enforcement, he should've been more guarded, alert to what he's ingesting... |
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Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Of course he does. He was taking supplements just like the vast majority of NFL players. One of them was obviously containing a banned substance. That's on him.
You are the one rushing to judgement. The players have FAR too much to lose to knowingly take a banned substance. However, as that article points out, it is fairly common for supplements to be tainted. It takes way more than a trace amount of any banned substance to have any performance enhancing capability. That is a fact. There is no way you could ever mask that much. That why it makes no sense to ever knowingly take anything. Onyemata is guilty of breaking the rules. It matters not if it was unknowingly as is in virtually every banned substance case. That is unfair, however. |
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07-17-2021, 04:03 PM | #39 |
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Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
I didn't go in length on any such thing, JP. Where are you coming up with that crap?
Besides, if you would go to that link I included on Aegis Shield you'd see that they also provide clearance for products not on their preapproved list by going over the ingredient list of the product to confirm that a banned substance isn't on the list. What they do not do is guarantee is that any product they give an okay to, on the preapproved list or not, will not be tainted with an unlisted banned substance. |
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Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
If you like, we'll find a local library outreach to assist you with your reading comprehension skills...
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