David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance

iceshack149 · 07-17-2021, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Any relation to Norman?

Hand has been injured a lot. But I agree, he's still very young and has quite a bit of potential.

I was curious as well...

Da'Shawn Hand

Hand was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, fathered by Sharif Hand, who was a junior in high school when Da'Shawn was born.[2] Hand's uncle, Damone Boone, was a Parade All-American running back at West Springfield in Virginia in the mid-1990s.[3][4]
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8mskKpw_VnIsI2

saintsfan1976 · 07-17-2021, 01:19 PM

Substance abuse suspensions since 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ootball_League

'10 - 20
'11 - 21
'12 - 40
'13 - 37
'14 - 41
'15 - 54
'16 - 55
'17 - 37
'18 - 31
'19 - 5
'20 - 2

I wonder the reasons for the spike and subsequent decrease in suspensions.

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2021, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Substance abuse suspensions since 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ootball_League

'10 - 20
'11 - 21
'12 - 40
'13 - 37
'14 - 41
'15 - 54
'16 - 55
'17 - 37
'18 - 31
'19 - 5
'20 - 2

I wonder the reasons for the spike and subsequent decrease in suspensions.

Probably because the original list of banned substances back in 2008 was numbered at 108. As of February last year it had been increased to 272 banned substances. Most likely recently the products containing those substances have been identified to the players better.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2021, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If players are given an approved list of supplements, is there something more than a competitive advantage that causes them to deviate from the NFL list?

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Substance abuse suspensions since 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ootball_League

'10 - 20
'11 - 21
'12 - 40
'13 - 37
'14 - 41
'15 - 54
'16 - 55
'17 - 37
'18 - 31
'19 - 5
'20 - 2

I wonder the reasons for the spike and subsequent decrease in suspensions.

Drug policy changed in '14 and in '20...

jeanpierre · 07-17-2021, 02:49 PM

Before we rush to judgement one way or another, only Onyemata knows for sure what he was taking unless he was slipped a mickey...

Players often are looking for a competitive edge, and there is no finite list of masking agents to stay ahead of enforcement...

Onyemata is going to have to make his case or he's going to have to change his ways as he has the means on his own now to do so...

Either way, after having one brush up with NFL enforcement, he should've been more guarded, alert to what he's ingesting...

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2021, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Before we rush to judgement one way or another, only Onyemata knows for sure what he was taking unless he was slipped a mickey...

Players often are looking for a competitive edge, and there is no finite list of masking agents to stay ahead of enforcement...

Onyemata is going to have to make his case or he's going to have to change his ways as he has the means on his own now to do so...

Of course he does. He was taking supplements just like the vast majority of NFL players. One of them was obviously containing a banned substance. That's on him.

You are the one rushing to judgement. The players have FAR too much to lose to knowingly take a banned substance. However, as that article points out, it is fairly common for supplements to be tainted.

It takes way more than a trace amount of any banned substance to have any performance enhancing capability. That is a fact. There is no way you could ever mask that much. That why it makes no sense to ever knowingly take anything.

Onyemata is guilty of breaking the rules. It matters not if it was unknowingly as is in virtually every banned substance case.

That is unfair, however.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2021, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Before we rush to judgement one way or another, only Onyemata knows for sure what he was taking unless he was slipped a mickey...

Players often are looking for a competitive edge, and there is no finite list of masking agents to stay ahead of enforcement...

Onyemata is going to have to make his case or he's going to have to change his ways as he has the means on his own now to do so...

Either way, after having one brush up with NFL enforcement, he should've been more guarded, alert to what he's ingesting...

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Of course he does. He was taking supplements just like the vast majority of NFL players. One of them was obviously containing a banned substance. That's on him.

You are the one rushing to judgement.

If you like, we'll find a local library outreach to assist you with your reading comprehension skills...

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2021, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Before we rush to judgement one way or another, only Onyemata knows for sure what he was taking unless he was slipped a mickey...

Players often are looking for a competitive edge, and there is no finite list of masking agents to stay ahead of enforcement...

Onyemata is going to have to make his case or he's going to have to change his ways as he has the means on his own now to do so...

Either way, after having one brush up with NFL enforcement, he should've been more guarded, alert to what he's ingesting...

The point is, JP, that no player can ever be fully aware of what he is ingesting. THAT is the ongoing problem. You can have a product tested multiple times and cleared by Aegis Shield and still get a tainted batch. Once again, that's what players have been complaining about for years.

Onyemata isn't doing anything that every other player is doing. He just happened to get the loaded chamber.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2021, 03:13 PM

Assuming, of course, Onyemata didn't knowingly take a banned substance...

There will be a re-investigation, review of the facts of the case; Onyemata will no doubt be asked about this a number of times, and inconsistencies will reveal themselves...

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2021, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Assuming, of course, Onyemata didn't knowingly take a banned substance...

There will be a re-investigation, review of the facts of the case; Onyemata will no doubt be asked about this a number of times, and inconsistencies will reveal themselves...

There will be no re-investigation nor is there a need for one. The league is fully aware that players ingest PED's unknowingly. They also know it's not nefarious. But, it is the rules and they cannot make exceptions. The policy is zero tolerance as there is no other means at this time.

07-17-2021, 11:12 AM	#1
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by jnormand Any relation to Norman? Hand has been injured a lot. But I agree, he's still very young and has quite a bit of potential. I was curious as well... Da'Shawn Hand Hand was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, fathered by Sharif Hand, who was a junior in high school when Da'Shawn was born.[2] Hand's uncle, Damone Boone, was a Parade All-American running back at West Springfield in Virginia in the mid-1990s.[3][4] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8mskKpw_VnIsI2

07-17-2021, 01:19 PM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,996 Blog Entries: 3	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Substance abuse suspensions since 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ootball_League '10 - 20 '11 - 21 '12 - 40 '13 - 37 '14 - 41 '15 - 54 '16 - 55 '17 - 37 '18 - 31 '19 - 5 '20 - 2 I wonder the reasons for the spike and subsequent decrease in suspensions. SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.

07-17-2021, 02:27 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Substance abuse suspensions since 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ootball_League '10 - 20 '11 - 21 '12 - 40 '13 - 37 '14 - 41 '15 - 54 '16 - 55 '17 - 37 '18 - 31 '19 - 5 '20 - 2 I wonder the reasons for the spike and subsequent decrease in suspensions. Probably because the original list of banned substances back in 2008 was numbered at 108. As of February last year it had been increased to 272 banned substances. Most likely recently the products containing those substances have been identified to the players better.

07-17-2021, 02:28 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by jeanpierre If players are given an approved list of supplements, is there something more than a competitive advantage that causes them to deviate from the NFL list? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Substance abuse suspensions since 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ootball_League '10 - 20 '11 - 21 '12 - 40 '13 - 37 '14 - 41 '15 - 54 '16 - 55 '17 - 37 '18 - 31 '19 - 5 '20 - 2 I wonder the reasons for the spike and subsequent decrease in suspensions. Drug policy changed in '14 and in '20...

07-17-2021, 02:49 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Before we rush to judgement one way or another, only Onyemata knows for sure what he was taking unless he was slipped a mickey... Players often are looking for a competitive edge, and there is no finite list of masking agents to stay ahead of enforcement... Onyemata is going to have to make his case or he's going to have to change his ways as he has the means on his own now to do so... Either way, after having one brush up with NFL enforcement, he should've been more guarded, alert to what he's ingesting...

07-17-2021, 02:57 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by jeanpierre Before we rush to judgement one way or another, only Onyemata knows for sure what he was taking unless he was slipped a mickey... Players often are looking for a competitive edge, and there is no finite list of masking agents to stay ahead of enforcement... Onyemata is going to have to make his case or he's going to have to change his ways as he has the means on his own now to do so... Of course he does. He was taking supplements just like the vast majority of NFL players. One of them was obviously containing a banned substance. That's on him. You are the one rushing to judgement. The players have FAR too much to lose to knowingly take a banned substance. However, as that article points out, it is fairly common for supplements to be tainted. It takes way more than a trace amount of any banned substance to have any performance enhancing capability. That is a fact. There is no way you could ever mask that much. That why it makes no sense to ever knowingly take anything. Onyemata is guilty of breaking the rules. It matters not if it was unknowingly as is in virtually every banned substance case. That is unfair, however.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

07-17-2021, 03:04 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by jeanpierre Before we rush to judgement one way or another, only Onyemata knows for sure what he was taking unless he was slipped a mickey... Players often are looking for a competitive edge, and there is no finite list of masking agents to stay ahead of enforcement... Onyemata is going to have to make his case or he's going to have to change his ways as he has the means on his own now to do so... Either way, after having one brush up with NFL enforcement, he should've been more guarded, alert to what he's ingesting... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Of course he does. He was taking supplements just like the vast majority of NFL players. One of them was obviously containing a banned substance. That's on him. You are the one rushing to judgement. If you like, we'll find a local library outreach to assist you with your reading comprehension skills... K Major likes this.

07-17-2021, 03:08 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by jeanpierre Before we rush to judgement one way or another, only Onyemata knows for sure what he was taking unless he was slipped a mickey... Players often are looking for a competitive edge, and there is no finite list of masking agents to stay ahead of enforcement... Onyemata is going to have to make his case or he's going to have to change his ways as he has the means on his own now to do so... Either way, after having one brush up with NFL enforcement, he should've been more guarded, alert to what he's ingesting... The point is, JP, that no player can ever be fully aware of what he is ingesting. THAT is the ongoing problem. You can have a product tested multiple times and cleared by Aegis Shield and still get a tainted batch. Once again, that's what players have been complaining about for years. Onyemata isn't doing anything that every other player is doing. He just happened to get the loaded chamber. Rugby Saint II likes this.

07-17-2021, 03:13 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Assuming, of course, Onyemata didn't knowingly take a banned substance... There will be a re-investigation, review of the facts of the case; Onyemata will no doubt be asked about this a number of times, and inconsistencies will reveal themselves...

07-17-2021, 03:33 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: David Onyemata Reveals Testing Positive for Banned Substance Originally Posted by jeanpierre Assuming, of course, Onyemata didn't knowingly take a banned substance... There will be a re-investigation, review of the facts of the case; Onyemata will no doubt be asked about this a number of times, and inconsistencies will reveal themselves... There will be no re-investigation nor is there a need for one. The league is fully aware that players ingest PED's unknowingly. They also know it's not nefarious. But, it is the rules and they cannot make exceptions. The policy is zero tolerance as there is no other means at this time. Rugby Saint II likes this.