CB Xavien Howard... should we?

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2021, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

No way would I trade a 1st. We could be flirting with a top 10 pick next year with Ian Book being the only QB under contract and more roster trimming to get under the cap.

We'll have the #32 pick next year. Trade it.

Audiotom · 07-17-2021, 07:37 PM

Who was our first this year

Definitely pull the trigger for a shut down corner
Over an unknown commodity

Outside of the Bucs playoff loss
Every one has come down to our defense not making a stop

K Major · 07-17-2021, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

Who was our first this year

Definitely pull the trigger for a shut down corner
Over an unknown commodity

Outside of the Bucs playoff loss
Every one has come down to our defense not making a stop

Agree with this.

Proven guy over the unknown. The Draft is a crapshoot … specifically at QB.

Let’s not forget the Saints were trying to make moves and go up in the draft for Jaycee Horn a few months ago.

lee909 · 07-17-2021, 08:47 PM

No way for a 1st.
He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal

K Major · 07-17-2021, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

No way for a 1st.
He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal

That number doesn't tell the entire story. Contracts are nuanced and intricate. If you look at his contract closely, 2021 is his last year of guaranteed money. Next three seasons = 0 guarantees on his contract, hence why he asking for a new deal.

Some think the Fins want a "1st", but say the Saints could swing the deal for a 2nd & package a player that would be golden. If you can land Xavien in NO, I'm sure Loomis could always restructure his deal & offer him more guaranteed money ... Ultimately, this is why he wants a new deal in South Beach. Nothing is guaranteed with Lattimore long term in New Orleans.

XH is a baller (led the league in INTS) but probably a long shot however I'd still make the call

.

Due Diligence.

jeanpierre · 07-18-2021, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

No way for a 1st.
He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal

And there it is - Howard wants a sliding scale contract such that he's the highest paid CB in the NFL...

Per Over The Cap, we're ($37,647,048) over in 2022 of the current projected number which is probably lower than what it will be...

But it's still in the ball park and Payton just had Loomis do the Washington Two-Step with the budget so there's not a lot of money to roll forward...again...

Make no mistake, there will be some cuts to some prominent names on this roster next season, some that some could argue should've happened this season...

But committing to a now 28yo Howard means not extending what will be a 26yo Lattimore...

As much as we'd like to be All-Pro at every position, the Free Market (Free Agency) and a Salary Cap won't allow it...

Saints got a steal in Adebo; the caveat is Sean will have to act like it's 2017 again and start rookies, let learn, gain experience, get better...

Not disagreeing that a 28yo Howard isn't worth a 1st, but what's the cost? the overall, final costs?

ChrisXVI · 07-17-2021, 10:45 PM

So trade for a guy making top dollar then turn around and pay top dollar to Lattimore, Marcus Williams and Gardner-Johnson after this season? Otherwise what? Let Lattimore walk for a guy three years older than him?

rezburna · 07-17-2021, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

So trade for a guy making top dollar then turn around and pay top dollar to Lattimore, Marcus Williams and Gardner-Johnson after this season? Otherwise what? Let Lattimore walk for a guy three years older than him?

Lattimore already got paid I think.

SmashMouth · 07-18-2021, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Lattimore already got paid I think.

Not yet... that's part of the challenge.

Rugby Saint II · 07-18-2021, 10:53 AM

We simply can't afford him and keep the rising players we already have in New Orleans. He's good but not worth the overall cost of losing key players down the road because they want to get paid too. Go young and let them gain experience.

07-17-2021, 09:52 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI No way would I trade a 1st. We could be flirting with a top 10 pick next year with Ian Book being the only QB under contract and more roster trimming to get under the cap. We'll have the #32 pick next year. Trade it. SmashMouth likes this.

07-17-2021, 07:37 PM	#2
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Who was our first this year Definitely pull the trigger for a shut down corner Over an unknown commodity Outside of the Bucs playoff loss Every one has come down to our defense not making a stop jeanpierre and K Major like this.

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? No way for a 1st. He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal jnormand, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by lee909 No way for a 1st. He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal That number doesn't tell the entire story. Contracts are nuanced and intricate. If you look at his contract closely, 2021 is his last year of guaranteed money. Next three seasons = 0 guarantees on his contract, hence why he asking for a new deal. Some think the Fins want a "1st", but say the Saints could swing the deal for a 2nd & package a player that would be golden. If you can land Xavien in NO, I'm sure Loomis could always restructure his deal & offer him more guaranteed money ... Ultimately, this is why he wants a new deal in South Beach. Nothing is guaranteed with Lattimore long term in New Orleans. XH is a baller (led the league in INTS) but probably a long shot however I'd still make the call . Due Diligence. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by lee909 No way for a 1st. He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal And there it is - Howard wants a sliding scale contract such that he's the highest paid CB in the NFL... Per Over The Cap, we're ($37,647,048) over in 2022 of the current projected number which is probably lower than what it will be... But it's still in the ball park and Payton just had Loomis do the Washington Two-Step with the budget so there's not a lot of money to roll forward...again... Make no mistake, there will be some cuts to some prominent names on this roster next season, some that some could argue should've happened this season... But committing to a now 28yo Howard means not extending what will be a 26yo Lattimore... As much as we'd like to be All-Pro at every position, the Free Market (Free Agency) and a Salary Cap won't allow it... Saints got a steal in Adebo; the caveat is Sean will have to act like it's 2017 again and start rookies, let learn, gain experience, get better... Not disagreeing that a 28yo Howard isn't worth a 1st, but what's the cost? the overall, final costs? jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by Audiotom Who was our first this year Definitely pull the trigger for a shut down corner Over an unknown commodity Outside of the Bucs playoff loss Every one has come down to our defense not making a stop Agree with this. Proven guy over the unknown. The Draft is a crapshoot … specifically at QB. Let’s not forget the Saints were trying to make moves and go up in the draft for Jaycee Horn a few months ago. saintsfan1976 and jeanpierre like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI So trade for a guy making top dollar then turn around and pay top dollar to Lattimore, Marcus Williams and Gardner-Johnson after this season? Otherwise what? Let Lattimore walk for a guy three years older than him? Lattimore already got paid I think.

07-18-2021, 06:34 AM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,961 Blog Entries: 29	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by rezburna Lattimore already got paid I think. Not yet... that's part of the challenge. jeanpierre likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? We simply can't afford him and keep the rising players we already have in New Orleans. He's good but not worth the overall cost of losing key players down the road because they want to get paid too. Go young and let them gain experience.