CB Xavien Howard... should we?

lee909 · 07-17-2021, 09:47 PM

No way for a 1st.
He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2021, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

No way would I trade a 1st. We could be flirting with a top 10 pick next year with Ian Book being the only QB under contract and more roster trimming to get under the cap.

We'll have the #32 pick next year. Trade it.

ChrisXVI · 07-17-2021, 11:45 PM

So trade for a guy making top dollar then turn around and pay top dollar to Lattimore, Marcus Williams and Gardner-Johnson after this season? Otherwise what? Let Lattimore walk for a guy three years older than him?

rezburna · 07-17-2021, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

So trade for a guy making top dollar then turn around and pay top dollar to Lattimore, Marcus Williams and Gardner-Johnson after this season? Otherwise what? Let Lattimore walk for a guy three years older than him?

Lattimore already got paid I think.

K Major · 07-18-2021, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

No way for a 1st.
He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal

That number doesn't tell the entire story. Contracts are nuanced and intricate. If you look at his contract closely, 2021 is his last year of guaranteed money. Next three seasons = 0 guarantees on his contract, hence why he asking for a new deal.

Some think the Fins want a "1st", but say the Saints could swing the deal for a 2nd & package a player that would be golden. If you can land Xavien in NO, I'm sure Loomis could always restructure his deal & offer him more guaranteed money ... Ultimately, this is why he wants a new deal in South Beach. Nothing is guaranteed with Lattimore long term in New Orleans.

XH is a baller (led the league in INTS) but probably a long shot however I'd still make the call

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Due Diligence.

jeanpierre · 07-18-2021, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

No way for a 1st.
He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal

And there it is - Howard wants a sliding scale contract such that he's the highest paid CB in the NFL...

Per Over The Cap, we're ($37,647,048) over in 2022 of the current projected number which is probably lower than what it will be...

But it's still in the ball park and Payton just had Loomis do the Washington Two-Step with the budget so there's not a lot of money to roll forward...again...

Make no mistake, there will be some cuts to some prominent names on this roster next season, some that some could argue should've happened this season...

But committing to a now 28yo Howard means not extending what will be a 26yo Lattimore...

As much as we'd like to be All-Pro at every position, the Free Market (Free Agency) and a Salary Cap won't allow it...

Saints got a steal in Adebo; the caveat is Sean will have to act like it's 2017 again and start rookies, let learn, gain experience, get better...

Not disagreeing that a 28yo Howard isn't worth a 1st, but what's the cost? the overall, final costs?

SmashMouth · 07-18-2021, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Lattimore already got paid I think.

Not yet... that's part of the challenge.

stickman · 07-18-2021, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Xavien just turned 28 and has probably three good years of elite, experienced CB play left in him...

That's why I don't like giving up a first for him. I would want a little more than 3 years out of a guy before he starts to decline. But, what do I know?

Boston Saint · 07-18-2021, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by stickman

That's why I don't like giving up a first for him. I would want a little more than 3 years out of a guy before he starts to decline. But, what do I know?

You know your old wrestlers 😜

Rugby Saint II · 07-18-2021, 11:53 AM

We simply can't afford him and keep the rising players we already have in New Orleans. He's good but not worth the overall cost of losing key players down the road because they want to get paid too. Go young and let them gain experience.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI No way would I trade a 1st. We could be flirting with a top 10 pick next year with Ian Book being the only QB under contract and more roster trimming to get under the cap. We'll have the #32 pick next year. Trade it. SmashMouth likes this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI So trade for a guy making top dollar then turn around and pay top dollar to Lattimore, Marcus Williams and Gardner-Johnson after this season? Otherwise what? Let Lattimore walk for a guy three years older than him? Lattimore already got paid I think.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by lee909 No way for a 1st. He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal That number doesn't tell the entire story. Contracts are nuanced and intricate. If you look at his contract closely, 2021 is his last year of guaranteed money. Next three seasons = 0 guarantees on his contract, hence why he asking for a new deal. Some think the Fins want a "1st", but say the Saints could swing the deal for a 2nd & package a player that would be golden. If you can land Xavien in NO, I'm sure Loomis could always restructure his deal & offer him more guaranteed money ... Ultimately, this is why he wants a new deal in South Beach. Nothing is guaranteed with Lattimore long term in New Orleans. XH is a baller (led the league in INTS) but probably a long shot however I'd still make the call . Due Diligence. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by lee909 No way for a 1st. He's being paid 12ml a year, and wants a rise. He signed a 5 year deal and wants it upped after 2 years. This team needs a influx of cheaper rookie deals not shipping them out for a player wanting a 15ml+ a year deal And there it is - Howard wants a sliding scale contract such that he's the highest paid CB in the NFL... Per Over The Cap, we're ($37,647,048) over in 2022 of the current projected number which is probably lower than what it will be... But it's still in the ball park and Payton just had Loomis do the Washington Two-Step with the budget so there's not a lot of money to roll forward...again... Make no mistake, there will be some cuts to some prominent names on this roster next season, some that some could argue should've happened this season... But committing to a now 28yo Howard means not extending what will be a 26yo Lattimore... As much as we'd like to be All-Pro at every position, the Free Market (Free Agency) and a Salary Cap won't allow it... Saints got a steal in Adebo; the caveat is Sean will have to act like it's 2017 again and start rookies, let learn, gain experience, get better... Not disagreeing that a 28yo Howard isn't worth a 1st, but what's the cost? the overall, final costs? jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by rezburna Lattimore already got paid I think. Not yet... that's part of the challenge. jeanpierre likes this.

07-18-2021, 09:52 AM	#18
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,680	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Xavien just turned 28 and has probably three good years of elite, experienced CB play left in him... That's why I don't like giving up a first for him. I would want a little more than 3 years out of a guy before he starts to decline. But, what do I know?

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? Originally Posted by stickman That's why I don't like giving up a first for him. I would want a little more than 3 years out of a guy before he starts to decline. But, what do I know? You know your old wrestlers 😜 Rugby Saint II and stickman like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: CB Xavien Howard... should we? We simply can't afford him and keep the rising players we already have in New Orleans. He's good but not worth the overall cost of losing key players down the road because they want to get paid too. Go young and let them gain experience.