Now you got that between San Antonio , Austin , Laredo and Bare Butt Briar Patch ????

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by saintz08

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by saintz08

Okay 08, I don't know where you are getting your info

Where do I get my info ???
I bring the info to the debate .

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06059.html

They recognized that Anaheim is the demographic, economic, and social center of this market, with better affinity not only to Orange County, but Riverside, San Bernardino, and portions of Los Angeles County

I assume you are referring to the following counties as the San Antonio - Austin cooridor .

Bexar
Comal
Hays
Travis

I will even toss in :
Williamson

The total for these 5 counties is 2,834,413 established by the 2003 U.S. Census .

The O.C. , which by the way is 1 county is 2,957,766 established by the 2003 U.S. Census .

The O.C. has the advantage ......

I see your population figures 08, and raise you a county map. I should have known this since I was in Diamond Bar, CA mid month August, even went to Disney World, LA county and Orange County are right on top of each other. There is no way in HELL the NFL would consider putting a team in one, and then the other. Plus San Diego is right down the road. So if either Orange County or LA County gets a team, that's it for that market. Two franchises have already failed there. SO thusly, they count as ONE market, just like Austin San Antonio. Putting two teams in that same area would be like Jefferson PArish saying they want an NFL team now, that's how close they are. So ha!!! LA and Orange County counts as one entity when talking about placement of an NFL franchise, thus their pop figure total counts as 12 mil or so. That makes San Antonio/Austin second. And like I said before, that doesn't even include south to Laredo, even Mexico and west to El Paso. Gotcha bro. Nice try though. You tried to divide an area that is geographically the same. Not flying. Sorry my man. I am still right. :P

You can toss in all the counties of : Webb , LaSalle , Duval , McMullen , Frio and Medina .

Still come up short on Riverside County with 1, 782,650

By the way , it is Disneyland in Anaheim , not Disney World .....

You are wrong :P

Disney Land, Disney World, same difference. It's still Disney right? Anywho, Riverside is less than Austin/San Antonio, AND they already have one team in SoCal, so as far as NFL expansion they would only get one more, FOR THE AREA. So a slong as you are looking there, you are dead wrong. That whole area counts as ONE PIECE. Just like Austin/San Antonio counts as ONE PIECE. Give it up. You tried. You wanted to split a huge area into parts to prove a point, and it almost worked. But the county map did you in. And the fact that So Cal has one team already did that in. That area is the largest area in populus without a team, San Antonio/Austin with all parts South and West is second. That doesn't change whether Disney Land, Disney World, Disney ISland, Disney Planet, or Disney Universe is in Anaheim or Florida. You are wrong. And you started out wrong showing some article about MEDIA size, and continued to try to adjust from that gaffe. Sorry bro, maybe next time. :P

Your losing it today ..... :P

You are wrong. And you started out wrong showing some article about MEDIA size

What I started out showing you was the :
2005 State of the City Address given by Mayor Curt Pringle of the city of Anaheim. City seal and all ....

Where he indicates he has been contacted by the NFL to supply a proposal for a NFL franchise , with demographics other then the ones used by the Los Angeles / Ventura counties .

They recognized that Anaheim is the demographic, economic, and social center of this market, with better affinity not only to Orange County, but Riverside, San Bernardino, and portions of Los Angeles County

Now the counties they are using for the proposal total around 8 million people .

Now you got that between San Antonio , Austin , Laredo and Bare Butt Briar Patch ????

the NFL came to Anaheim and asked us to put together a proposal for the return of professional football to the nation’s second largest media market.

Answer me this, if ANAHEIM gets a team, which is in the OC right, do you think LA is still in the running for one at that point?

Are you not aware that the 2nd market for an NFL Franchise is Orlando Florida ??? Thought this was common Knowledge .

San Antonio/Austin is the next largest populus without a football team.

I also think the biggest reason why San Antonio is such a relatively small media market is because there's no big suburbs around it. Here's the census map for Texas. The biggest county neighboring Bexar is Guadalupe, with 97,000 people, followed by Comal with 88,000. There are four counties adjacent to Harris that are each bigger than those two combined - Fort Bend, Montgomery, Galveston, and Brazoria. Together those four counties have well over a million people in them. The combined population of Collin and Denton counties up near Dallas is also over a million. Bexar has nothing like that. San Antonio is a big city, but that's all there is.

If you eliminate California , then yes , San Antonio is the next largest city in total population that does not have a football team .

That is why they can build the Alamo Dome out there and NFL teams have not been interested .

San Antonio is such a relatively small media market

S.A. Saints tickets are a big, easy sell
Web Posted: 09/15/2005 12:00 AM CDT

Tom Orsborn
Express-News Staff Writer

Never did the Saints, nor city officials, imagine they'd be pleading with local football fans for patience in their pursuit of pro football tickets.





Yet, that was the situation on Wednesday after a feverish rush gobbled up 50,000 tickets for three Saints games in the Alamodome within eight hours after going on sale.

The demand for tickets was so heavy, computers used to process online requests crashed 15 minutes after sales began at 10 a.m.
Lines of customers snaked outside the Alamodome by late morning. The wait, compounded by initial unavailability of choice seats, irritated many in the crowd, thought to number about 500 at its peak.

"It's unbelievable the way the community has turned out," Assistant City Manager Roland Lozano said.

Said Alamodome director Mike Abington: "This reminds me of the response you might get for the Beatles, the Rolling Stones — or Garth Brooks."

"I hope they count right because I'm pretty pleased," Mayor Phil Hardberger said. "Apparently, it's been a hot ticket. It didn't surprise me, but it is certainly comforting to know we did that. Thinking it and seeing it are two different things."

Ticket windows at the Alamodome remained opened until 10 p.m. for late walk-up sales. By day's end, officials were stressing three points to the public:

None of the three Alamodome games has yet sold out. Tickets still are available at all price levels. And tickets are available for all seating locations.

That includes luxury suites. The Alamodome has 34 to offer, although area corporations pounced to fill out paperwork for suite purchases during a meeting Wednesday morning at La Cantera with Saints owner Tom Benson.

City leaders said the Saints weren't prepared to deal with the rush. As the high demand became obvious, extra staffers were put on phone banks and at ticket windows.

Much of the frustration expressed by fans concerned the limited availability of choice seats. Even those first in line at the Alamodome — one fan arrived at 3:30 a.m. — were told that only seats in the upper levels and end zone were still available.

Officials said the Saints' obligation to about 35,000 season-ticket holders in New Orleans complicated the issue of which seats to offer. Those season-ticket holders have until 10 days before the kickoff of each game to claim comparable seating in the Alamodome.

But a Saints official said the club will not put aside 35,000 Alamodome tickets for season-ticket holders. A source said the number of tickets will probably be significantly lower.

"We are off to a great start," said Saints marketing director Conrad "Connie" Kowal. "It was a very positive, overwhelming response."

Displaced by the Katrina disaster, the Saints moved their training headquarters to San Antonio 13 days ago. On Monday, three Saints home games — Oct. 2 against Buffalo, Oct. 16 against Atlanta and Dec. 24 against Detroit — were moved to the Alamodome.

Four others were moved to Tiger Stadium on the LSU campus in Baton Rouge, La.

A portion of the Saints' sales staff was moved to Baton Rouge on Wednesday, further compounding problems with sales here.

Those complications didn't dampen the reaction of local officials.

"The response — and I know it sounds cliche — has been overwhelming," said Christian Archer, special assistant to Hardberger. "Are we going to sell out all three games at the dome? Damn right."

Archer said local fans should consider the Saints' plight.

"To have learned the schedule on Monday, and to see what the Saints have done since then, truly amazing," Archer said, "especially when you consider that a lot of these people have lost their homes and are wearing only T-shirts because they have no clothes."

Rumors that scalpers and ticket brokers were hoarding tickets were quickly dismissed.

"You can't compare this to anything we've ever done," said Jerome Cohen, owner of Best Tickets.

"They (the Saints) are doing something here that takes an entire season and compressing it into two weeks. Usually, they start selling tickets the day after their previous regular season ends. Their business has got to be brisk. They have to sell 65,000 seats in two weeks."

Both Cohen and John Binder, owner of Awesome Tickets, said demand for Saints tickets was very heavy.

"Our phones have been ringing off the hook since the announcement," Binder said. "We're getting calls from Austin, Corpus Christi, Laredo, the Valley."

Said Cohen: "There will be complete capacity for all games. I don't have any doubt for that, even the Christmas Eve game. San Antonio is an NFL town and this opportunity fits hand in hand with what people have been dreaming about."

Okay, I have only said that for the last 5 posts. But now that we got that straight, I still said Austin/San Antonio.

Both the city of Los Angeles and city of Anaheim don't like the Los Angeles tag on a team that plays almost 40 miles away from downtown.

No , your point was in eliminating Los Angeles and the market . The O.C. is one county with a larger population then the 5 counties that connect Austin/San Antonio , including those cities .

With its own stadium proposal .

Both the city of Los Angeles and city of Anaheim don't like the Los Angeles tag on a team that plays almost 40 miles away from downtown.

Man, I was waiting for you to bring up the bay area. Didn't Al Davis move the first time cause he was losing money due to the proximity of the 49ers?

The NFL didn't go and say, "We need to put a team right across the bay from San Fran right now."

Oakland had a team, had that team leave, and then come back.

One, that's MLB.

The City of Angels (don't get confused now) filed an amicus curie brief with the city of Anaheim stating "Anaheim is not located in the city of Los Angeles, and the Angels should not be permitted to adopt a name that begins with the geographical identifier 'Los Angeles.'"