Luke Johnson | Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense
 

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Ian Book shined too?

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I’m starting to think neither one of these guys are an answer long term. I was high on Winston but so far it seems like same old story hot and cold. If it turns out Winston isn’t the answer I’ll be fine with a gimmicky Hill led offense. Or even dual Qb offense for this year.

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If neither one of them can win the job, give it to Book and see what he's got. Use Hill as a gadget guy and Winston in some packages to mix it up.

I hope preseason shows something.

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QB looks like it will be a tight competition for second place. :wink:

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I think Book will beat out Hill for QB2. Then again, that would partially be because of Hill's value as the Swiss Army knife.

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Ian is going to hold the clip board & sport a backwards baseball cap all season long ... assuming he cracks the final roster.

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Hill, no. Jameis, jury's out but I thought he played well despite leading the 2nd and 3rd string. He went through his progressions, didn't risk too much. Some of those throws were absolute ropes!

Fumble, not his fault. INT, underthrown (slightly) but arguably not his fault and had that been completed we're talking about him as the #1 QB.

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If the Saints organization started Book over Winston and Hill you can guarantee there would be a mass exodus and an increase in trade requests. You’d lose that locker room instantly. The players want Winston as it is. Payton needs to choose leader sooner than later.

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Hill
By far played the best of the two. JW was slow on release and held the ball as long as AB use too. It’s hills to lose at this point. Wouldn’t be surprised it JW is released or traded before the season

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JW played horrible. He was shaken in the pocket and held the ball way too long. He threw one or two good balls but was sacked more than that. TH one int was because the wr sat down instead of continuing his route.

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Winston got sacked once. Hill was sacked too by Patrick Queen running around behind the line of scrimmage after he had already thrown one interception and another should be pick that was dropped by the defender. Was he not holding it too long as well? Winston looked much more polished than Hill.

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Sorry, double post

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Yes, but you have an admitted bias Voo . NFL network has the game on Monday morning I believe. I’ll watch it then.

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I'm the biggest Book supporter you will find and I agree with this. Winston needs a stretch of at least 5 games to show what he can do in this system. I think Hill is at his best when he is only used at QB for a few plays or a series where he has full energy and can really be a dual threat weapon without worrying about pacing himself. That being said, I can understand Payton being vague - keep the Packers guessing what they will be looking at in week 1.

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His 1 int was 100% on the wr. Go back and look at how long they both held the ball and tell me who his issues with their release timing. I have it on dvr. I’ve watched it twice. Hill didn’t even attempt to leave the pocket and him running is his go to. He played 10x better. Even book played better than JW. You are going to be one sad individual when he’s no longer on the team in a month.

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No bias here. If JW was the best option I’d go with him. He failed at simple swing passes. He is no longer a starting qb.

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He did attempt to leave the pocket and got sacked by Patrick Queen. We’ve got two QB’s who didn’t put any points on the board versus one who led an 80 yard drive that culminated in him throwing a TD to LJ Humphrey. All of our points came off of Jameis Winston drives.

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I didn't get to watch the game - have seen a few plays from the game. Not gonna judge what I haven't seen, but Winston's pick looked like he threw the ball to the wrong side of the WR. It also looked like the WR might have helped him out but didn't. Hill's looked like the receiver stopped short on the route?

Anyway, too early to make a call either way.

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Maybe bias is the wrong word. But you have said even before this game that you don’t think Winston can cut it. Pardon me if I say it COULD be that you are seeing what you want as reinforcement. It doesn’t seem like Hill did anything more outstanding with the first string than Winston did with the second. I’ve not seen the game, but saying he’s cut before the season seems a little extreme.

Re: Luke Johnson | Taysom vs. Jameis QB battle: Taysom Hill closes on a strong note in 2-minute offense
 

Were you watching the same game?

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The first drive by hill was amazing. Murray fumbled at the 10. Another drive was squashed due to freeman fumbling. A third was due to ty sitting on a route instead of running through. By the way, hill was rolling out to pass when queen sacked him. He was not trying to run. As for JW, his one int was wayyyy under thrown and the points he/ team scored was on a 2nd/3rd defense

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Twice

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Hill's first drive was definitely his highlight. Winston, to me, looked more effective with the 2nd string offense. Looking forward to seeing next week when they flop the order. Payton has said Winston runs with the higher placed offense that time around instead of Hill.

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Take note of Davenport. He was quick as hell off the line.

When healthy, he’s ferocious.

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Hope he balls out this year. As you’ve pointed out Major, the team size at DE is amazing. Could be a real strength.

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Preaching to the choir, Brother K.

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The Freeman fumble was the opening play of Winston’s first drive. Taysom looked decent on the first drive that ended in the Murray fumble. After that he never got back into the redzone. He looked inconsistent as usual.

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I think we can all agree freeman is a camp body. Dudes washed up

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From what I saw of Taysom last night is that he is still staring down WR's and can't "throw them open". Winston, even playing with the 2s/3s & guys with no chemistry looked more comfortable in the pocket. Ultimately Sean Payton already knows who his Day 1 starter will be.

Next preseason game -- > primetime in the Dome vs Jags.

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In that case, if it comes down to this, Winston has the greater experience and Hill has far more value in other aspects of the game. Anything resembling a tie should go to Winston.

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^^^

This. I see always giving Hill the first shot if Payton has already decided on Winston. That relays to the team that Hill was given every chance to Hill to overcome.

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I'm thinking for Coach Payton the day 1 starter at QB will be one of the least of his concerns. He knows what he's got with both Guys and he will tweak
the Offense around what works. For the last few years most of us dreaded the retirement of Drew and glad he got out while he was mostly in one piece.
The anticipation of this season and how it will go without Brees is any-ones guess. But this is Saints football and for a lot of the early years we've seen some tough and brutal times (putting it mildly). Now even Sean goes into this season for the first time without Drew can't imagine that's going to be a walk in the park for him.

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Not a walk in the park for sure, but an adventure instead. I think he is embracing this opportunity.

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Sean's going to tailor an offense to whichever QB he chooses as starter, he's not going to show his hand in preseason.

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His hand has already been drawn. He knows exactly what he is going to do and with whom.

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Yeah, I know you think so, but I'm not as convinced. If he's so decided, what made him decide? Practice doesn't show it, and apparently neither does preseason (so far), why should he favor either (or for that matter any of the 3)?

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How do you know practice doesn't show it? We were not there seeing what he saw. We were not there when he talked to each of them person on person. He has far more access to those factors in the decision than anyone else. Right?

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but you do? More than anyone else?