Saints Are Offering Refunds

Boston Saint · 08-27-2021, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

First of all, the article doesn't refer to "government workers", it addresses health care workers. And, no, I don't have a problem with any employer mandating the vaccine for employees. The employee has the right to leave the employment. The employer has the right to protect it's business.

Besides, none of this has anything to do with Flipx99's claim that "the government telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports" that I was questioning, does it?

It is a public (government) rule implemented on all health care workers. OK,the rule is not required to be a government worker, But all health are workers, to work in that field, need the vaccine to get the approval of the government. You are willfully ignoring the difference.

AsylumGuido · 08-27-2021, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It is a public (government) rule implemented on all health care workers. OK,the rule is not required to be a government worker, But all health are workers, to work in that field, need the vaccine to get the approval of the government. You are willfully ignoring the difference.

Once again, what government is "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports"? That's where you entered the discussion.

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Once again, what government is "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports"? That's where you entered the discussion.

I entered this discussion on many points, not just this one. But Canada has begun the process.

“The Government of Canada will require employees in the federally REGULATED air, rail, and marine transportation sectors to be vaccinated. The vaccination requirement will also extend to certain travellers. This includes ALL commercial air travellers, passengers on interprovincial trains, and passengers on large marine vessels with overnight accommodations, such as cruise ships.”

This was from this Forbes article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...in-travel/amp/

Australia has similar restrictions coming.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I entered this discussion on many points, not just this one. But Canada has begun the process.

“The Government of Canada will require employees in the federally REGULATED air, rail, and marine transportation sectors to be vaccinated. The vaccination requirement will also extend to certain travellers. This includes ALL commercial air travellers, passengers on interprovincial trains, and passengers on large marine vessels with overnight accommodations, such as cruise ships.”

This was from this Forbes article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...in-travel/amp/

Australia has similar restrictions coming.

Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new.

But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports".

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new.

But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports".

So, you are looking for one specific thing I’m not referring to while sticking your fingers in your ear, shaking your head and screaming out loud while you ignore my points. You are right Guido. In your case haters gonna hate...”insert cat here”.

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new.

But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports".

You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2021, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view.

Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it!

Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently.

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it! Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently.

Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make
them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want to see is is people comply.

You can’t handle it when people don’t agree with you about the Saints past decisions and you can’t handle when people don’t agree with your stance on the balance between government intervention and government control. The fact
that you won’t give credence to this opposing viewpoint is vital. You egotistically and proudly unable to even try to understand an opposing viewpoint.

08-27-2021, 04:49 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido First of all, the article doesn't refer to "government workers", it addresses health care workers. And, no, I don't have a problem with any employer mandating the vaccine for employees. The employee has the right to leave the employment. The employer has the right to protect it's business. Besides, none of this has anything to do with Flipx99's claim that "the government telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports" that I was questioning, does it? It is a public (government) rule implemented on all health care workers. OK,the rule is not required to be a government worker, But all health are workers, to work in that field, need the vaccine to get the approval of the government. You are willfully ignoring the difference.

08-27-2021, 04:51 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint It is a public (government) rule implemented on all health care workers. OK,the rule is not required to be a government worker, But all health are workers, to work in that field, need the vaccine to get the approval of the government. You are willfully ignoring the difference. Once again, what government is "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports"? That's where you entered the discussion.

08-28-2021, 12:05 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Once again, what government is "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports"? That's where you entered the discussion. I entered this discussion on many points, not just this one. But Canada has begun the process. “The Government of Canada will require employees in the federally REGULATED air, rail, and marine transportation sectors to be vaccinated. The vaccination requirement will also extend to certain travellers. This includes ALL commercial air travellers, passengers on interprovincial trains, and passengers on large marine vessels with overnight accommodations, such as cruise ships.” This was from this Forbes article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...in-travel/amp/ Australia has similar restrictions coming. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-28-2021, 01:01 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint I entered this discussion on many points, not just this one. But Canada has begun the process. “The Government of Canada will require employees in the federally REGULATED air, rail, and marine transportation sectors to be vaccinated. The vaccination requirement will also extend to certain travellers. This includes ALL commercial air travellers, passengers on interprovincial trains, and passengers on large marine vessels with overnight accommodations, such as cruise ships.” This was from this Forbes article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...in-travel/amp/ Australia has similar restrictions coming. Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new. But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports".

08-28-2021, 01:15 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new. But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports". So, you are looking for one specific thing I’m not referring to while sticking your fingers in your ear, shaking your head and screaming out loud while you ignore my points. You are right Guido. In your case haters gonna hate...”insert cat here”.

08-28-2021, 01:26 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Good for them! I completely in favor of that! There are several different vaccine requirements (polio, smallpox, yellow fever, etc.) by countries all over the world and have been for decades. This is nothing new. But, still looking for anything about the government "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports". You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view.

08-28-2021, 02:07 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint You ask for a case. I show you a case. You say “good for them”. So you agree they are requiring vaccination proof or “passports” to travel in Canada. That is where we differ and I do not say “good for them”. The requirements of vaccination and masks against COVID has nowhere near the same proven benefits and need as measles or smallpox vaccinations do. This is a typical tactic of those protecting a weak position...bring out the extreme cases to support a radical view. Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it! Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently.

08-28-2021, 02:14 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Radical view? LOL! Proof of various vaccinations have been required for decades for all sorts of travel. Nothing radical and nothing new. You are going to believe what you want to believe and not believe what you do not want to believe. Go for it! Thank God the vast majority of people see it differently. Governments have required lots of things throughout history. Doesn’t make them all good. That is what you refuse to acknowledge. All you want to see is is people comply. You can’t handle it when people don’t agree with you about the Saints past decisions and you can’t handle when people don’t agree with your stance on the balance between government intervention and government control. The fact that you won’t give credence to this opposing viewpoint is vital. You egotistically and proudly unable to even try to understand an opposing viewpoint. iceshack149 likes this.