Saints Are Offering Refunds

AsylumGuido · 08-26-2021, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

Individual liberties are fine, as long as individuals don't use them in the manner that they see fit.

These people you are criticizing see the government telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports, while at the same time they are allowing a flood of illegal immigrants come into our country with not only Covid but all kinds of infectious diseases.

They see the White House openly admit that the federal government is directing big tech to censor speech it disagrees with.

You can't blame people for being skeptical.

What government is mandating vaccine passports?

Rugby Saint II · 08-26-2021, 03:29 PM

I have come around to thinking that it is a personal liberty. But I still have my doubts that it is best for the country.

Boston Saint · 08-27-2021, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What government is mandating vaccine passports?

Governments are mandating vaccines to be a government worker :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dem...amp/5599461001

But you see nothing wrong with this.

Flipx99 · 08-27-2021, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What government is mandating vaccine passports?

We can argue over semantics I guess, but I think it is overly coercive when any government tells private businesses that they must deny service to their fellow citizens based on their vaccine status.

I also think that the more strong armed government is the more people are going to dig in their heels.

AsylumGuido · 08-27-2021, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Governments are mandating vaccines to be a government worker :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dem...amp/5599461001

But you see nothing wrong with this.

First of all, the article doesn't refer to "government workers", it addresses health care workers. And, no, I don't have a problem with any employer mandating the vaccine for employees. The employee has the right to leave the employment. The employer has the right to protect it's business.

Besides, none of this has anything to do with Flipx99's claim that "the government telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports" that I was questioning, does it?

Boston Saint · 08-27-2021, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

First of all, the article doesn't refer to "government workers", it addresses health care workers. And, no, I don't have a problem with any employer mandating the vaccine for employees. The employee has the right to leave the employment. The employer has the right to protect it's business.

Besides, none of this has anything to do with Flipx99's claim that "the government telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports" that I was questioning, does it?

It is a public (government) rule implemented on all health care workers. OK,the rule is not required to be a government worker, But all health are workers, to work in that field, need the vaccine to get the approval of the government. You are willfully ignoring the difference.

AsylumGuido · 08-27-2021, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

We can argue over semantics I guess, but I think it is overly coercive when any government tells private businesses that they must deny service to their fellow citizens based on their vaccine status.

I also think that the more strong armed government is the more people are going to dig in their heels.

The government tells private businesses what they must do all of the time when it comes to health concerns. That's nothing new. It was put in place to protect those citizens. 1906 was the first year of government imposed mandates (Federal Meat Inspection Act and the Pure Food and Drug Act) on food related businesses.

AsylumGuido · 08-27-2021, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It is a public (government) rule implemented on all health care workers. OK,the rule is not required to be a government worker, But all health are workers, to work in that field, need the vaccine to get the approval of the government. You are willfully ignoring the difference.

Once again, what government is "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports"? That's where you entered the discussion.

Rugby Saint II · 08-28-2021, 12:37 PM

My friend who also played rugby just got of the hospital from Covid. It was breathing problems that put him there and he was in shape but unfortunately the damage is done to his lungs. I'm not going to tell anyone again what to do about their beliefs regarding the hazards of Covid but I strongly suggest that you do get your shots. People are twice as likely to be hospitalized with the Delta variant.

Boston Saint · 08-28-2021, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Once again, what government is "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports"? That's where you entered the discussion.

I entered this discussion on many points, not just this one. But Canada has begun the process.

“The Government of Canada will require employees in the federally REGULATED air, rail, and marine transportation sectors to be vaccinated. The vaccination requirement will also extend to certain travellers. This includes ALL commercial air travellers, passengers on interprovincial trains, and passengers on large marine vessels with overnight accommodations, such as cruise ships.”

This was from this Forbes article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...in-travel/amp/

Australia has similar restrictions coming.

08-26-2021, 09:07 AM	#121
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 Individual liberties are fine, as long as individuals don't use them in the manner that they see fit. These people you are criticizing see the government telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports, while at the same time they are allowing a flood of illegal immigrants come into our country with not only Covid but all kinds of infectious diseases. They see the White House openly admit that the federal government is directing big tech to censor speech it disagrees with. You can't blame people for being skeptical. What government is mandating vaccine passports?

08-26-2021, 03:29 PM	#122
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds I have come around to thinking that it is a personal liberty. But I still have my doubts that it is best for the country. Flipx99 and Boston Saint like this.

08-27-2021, 05:18 PM	#123
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What government is mandating vaccine passports? Governments are mandating vaccines to be a government worker : https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dem...amp/5599461001 But you see nothing wrong with this.

08-27-2021, 05:38 PM	#124
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What government is mandating vaccine passports? We can argue over semantics I guess, but I think it is overly coercive when any government tells private businesses that they must deny service to their fellow citizens based on their vaccine status. I also think that the more strong armed government is the more people are going to dig in their heels.
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08-27-2021, 05:40 PM	#125
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint Governments are mandating vaccines to be a government worker : https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dem...amp/5599461001 But you see nothing wrong with this. First of all, the article doesn't refer to "government workers", it addresses health care workers. And, no, I don't have a problem with any employer mandating the vaccine for employees. The employee has the right to leave the employment. The employer has the right to protect it's business. Besides, none of this has anything to do with Flipx99's claim that "the government telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports" that I was questioning, does it?

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08-27-2021, 05:49 PM	#126
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido First of all, the article doesn't refer to "government workers", it addresses health care workers. And, no, I don't have a problem with any employer mandating the vaccine for employees. The employee has the right to leave the employment. The employer has the right to protect it's business. Besides, none of this has anything to do with Flipx99's claim that "the government telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports" that I was questioning, does it? It is a public (government) rule implemented on all health care workers. OK,the rule is not required to be a government worker, But all health are workers, to work in that field, need the vaccine to get the approval of the government. You are willfully ignoring the difference.

08-27-2021, 05:49 PM	#127
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 We can argue over semantics I guess, but I think it is overly coercive when any government tells private businesses that they must deny service to their fellow citizens based on their vaccine status. I also think that the more strong armed government is the more people are going to dig in their heels. The government tells private businesses what they must do all of the time when it comes to health concerns. That's nothing new. It was put in place to protect those citizens. 1906 was the first year of government imposed mandates (Federal Meat Inspection Act and the Pure Food and Drug Act) on food related businesses.

08-27-2021, 05:51 PM	#128
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint It is a public (government) rule implemented on all health care workers. OK,the rule is not required to be a government worker, But all health are workers, to work in that field, need the vaccine to get the approval of the government. You are willfully ignoring the difference. Once again, what government is "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports"? That's where you entered the discussion.

08-28-2021, 12:37 PM	#129
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds My friend who also played rugby just got of the hospital from Covid. It was breathing problems that put him there and he was in shape but unfortunately the damage is done to his lungs. I'm not going to tell anyone again what to do about their beliefs regarding the hazards of Covid but I strongly suggest that you do get your shots. People are twice as likely to be hospitalized with the Delta variant.

08-28-2021, 01:05 PM	#130
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Once again, what government is "telling its citizens they have to have vaccine passports"? That's where you entered the discussion. I entered this discussion on many points, not just this one. But Canada has begun the process. “The Government of Canada will require employees in the federally REGULATED air, rail, and marine transportation sectors to be vaccinated. The vaccination requirement will also extend to certain travellers. This includes ALL commercial air travellers, passengers on interprovincial trains, and passengers on large marine vessels with overnight accommodations, such as cruise ships.” This was from this Forbes article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...in-travel/amp/ Australia has similar restrictions coming. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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