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Oh, wow, even the Vikings radio call got it wrong - extra schadenfreude today...
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Falcons are probably second guessing themselves hard on going with a TE vs QB at pick #4. |
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Injured players out.. yeah, ok.
Not sayin' we would've won, but for this particular game, in this situation Taysom would've been a better choice to run the offense. Last week, no doubt Jameis was the best choice, but not for this game. I'm not blaming Sean Payton for the L, but I am blaming him for the complete offensive disaster embarrassment. After the 1st drive in the 2nd half that fell flat Jameis shoulda been benched and the Panther defense shoulda been forced to play "catch Taysom". If the enemy's mortars have your location pinpointed, you don't lay there hoping they're gonna stop, you get up & fkng move. |
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I wouldn't hit the panic button yet, we pretty much had all of our coaches out and several guys on defense. The coaches being out may be more important than the defense guys. Pretty much all of our offensive coaches were out. They help to make adjustments throughout the game, give advice, fix things in game, etc. Now the truth is, I don't trust Jameis Winston. If he plays every game like he did last week, we'd be super bowl contenders. As I've said before though, stats are not everything. To win a Superbowl, you have to win multiple football games in a row. To do that, you need consistency. While I think Winton is capable of making amazing throws, looking great for periods of time, I think he goes through these periods where he looks like his brain has turned off. I just trust Taysom more, and wish he would have won the job. I know that's not going to be a popular opinion here, but I truly believe it.
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Lol, where is the criticism of the O LINE ? They COLLECTIVELY stunk it up.
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Haven't seen the game yet but was Kamara injured..
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We have no receivers. Chris Hogan is so washed up we would do just as well to bring in Ocho Cinco or Kelvin Benjamin. 3 of the most receiver poor teams in the league in NE, Car, and NYJ all cast him aside. 4 of our top receiving targets are undrafted guys with a couple hundred career yards. Our only drafted 'WR' is Ty Montgomery who can't decide what he is and has more positions than yards. Adam Troutman did not have a catch. Our top TE is an undrafted converted receiver. You can say we had more injuries on defense, but really we are missing our top 4 receiving targets (other than running backs) from last year. Imagining that Marquez Calloway, an undrafted free agent with like 200 career yards, is DeAndre Hopkins, does not make him DeAndre Hopkins. He is nobody until he produces consistently for real. It does not matter who our QB is. Maholmes would have lost for us today. Vick would have lost for us today. Manning would have lost for us today. No matter the style or skill, we had nobody to throw to, and the Panthers secondary came to play unlike the Packers and covered our undrafted amateurs.
Hill would not have done better. With no time to throw and nobody to throw to, Hill would have ran more. We saw with Kamara we would were able to run for a bit under 1 yard per carry, so Hill could have done that, and Carolina would have stacked the box even more. For years we have been trading up picks to get defense and oline and we drafted one wide receiver, who is mediocre, and was hurt today. If we want to build this team we need to keep some 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th round picks and draft some receivers with more upside who can bring something more to the table in terms of speed or size. We need field stretchers. We need dump off options. We have camp bodies starting. During the draft and free agency we knew Michael Thomas was not returning calls. This is what it is. We didn't get a contingency plan to even be a credible #3. Some games, opponents will screw up and mediocre receivers will get open. With a full stable of coaches, we may be able to scheme ways to get them open. But receiver is going to be an achilles heel for this team until Michael Thomas returns, if he even does effectively. If we want to contend, we should trade for a receiver. If we don't there are going to be games where Calloway, Hogan, Humphries, Harris, Troutman, Johnson, and the rest are a little off their Grey Cup peaks and make every opposing corner look like prime Deion Sanders. |
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Dude, Hill ran once for 9 yards
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A guy whose game is similar to Steve Young would give opposing teams fits.
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Also, based on our oline performance, anyone expecting a 6 year $160 million extension for Armstead announced tomorrow? Would be just typical. And then he goes on IR Tuesday.
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Another positive to take away - it was clear from this game that Payton Turner is now our DE2, if not DE1, as Cam Jordan is definitely slowing down now... While I believe in rotating, keeping DEs fresh, it's Cam that should've been coming out more for Granderson, especially on 3rd downs, as he was obviously gassed... Granderson has no business being in there on early downs as he doesn't have the sand in his arse to anchor the edge vs the run... Thought our DTs played above expectations, especially in goal line defense; they got lit up by tight officiating, but as said earlier, they gotta pick their spots... |
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Under reported, or at least spot-lighted, when announced, Ryan Ramczyk's contract calls for a lot of significant performance bonuses tied to him playing Left Tackle... Ramczyk is not only our best tackle, but our best offensive lineman; Armstead has convenient injuries when he doesn't know his opponent, or ones he's struggled... Smart on Armstead's part really, because if you minimize bad film vs bad matchups, management won't have that leverage in contract negotiations... Ramczyk literally faced a gauntlet of HOF pass rushers the year before for twelve weeks, not allowing even one sack and maybe a few pressures... Payton is mercurial, may walk in, changed mind, and alter Ramczyk's contract language, but as of now, based on the facts, this is Armstead's last Saints season... |
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Another positive takeaway from this game was Zach Baun; he was struggling early on, but managed to regroup his focus in game and come back and play tough...
In recent past, we've usually had LBers that had to sit for the remainder of the game, perhaps another week or so, before they regained that focus, confidence... Baun was right back in there, swarming, slugging it out, keeping it close in the hopes that Jameis would eventually figure out how to read a blitz and make the hot read... |
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Know I disagreed with Brother Chris during the game commentary, but thought Adebo played very well...
While he gave up short gains, that Michael Thomas 8-yard power-step-in route is hard to defend, he stopped all the big plays and made some crucial open-field tackles... Should also mention that Adebo could've used some help from the DEs to knock down those quick low-trajectory passes as defenses adjusted vs Drew Brees... Remember the Panthers have our playbook in Brady and he knows how to pick at even a good CB... But as a rookie CB2, he had a very solid 2nd game and will learn to jump those routes and give those QBs pause, maybe enough for a sack or even a sack/fumble... |
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Thought the time to use Taysom Hill to spark the offense would've been much earlier in the game; Payton really seems to have lost that timing with using him...
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Winston's own words - “I have to take responsibility for communicating with the offensive line...Got to get us in better protections. Just communicate better out there.” Agree that FatherTime had caught up to Brees; heck, was first here three years ago to point out Brees' declining arm strength, air yards per attempt... But for those who complain that Brees was holding us back, you should also balance your criticism against what Brees brought to the table in pre-snap adjustments... Even Moose Johnson acknowledged during the broadcast that no one was better at making adjustments before the snap but with his short, intermediate throws... |
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For those that said we didn't run enough, if you have the time, accessibility, go back and watch the game, pause before each offensive snap...
And count the Panthers defenders in the box; rarely did they have less than eight in the box; so they knew they weren't going to let Kamara beat them... The Panthers bet Winston couldn't beat them and they were right; he failed to call adjustments to his offensive line for protection - game difference... |
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Thank God Carolina is the team that has to play the quick turnaround this week and appear on Thursday night, not us. We have adjustments to make, players to heal and our assistant coaches need time to shake the 'vid. Need every day this week.
One bright spot I don't think that has been mentioned is Ty Montgomery. He has made some good plays in special teams and receiving the ball in the flat. I think we need to get him more involved, especially if ... Deonte Harris can't get it going in the way we need him to. He is supposed to be our poor-man's Tyreek Hill in our offense, the speed guy to cause havok and create openings for other players, but it hasn't looked that way. |
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I worry that Jameis has been exposed with the blitz packages. Not only was he not adjusting the line pre-snap, even when he had time he was way off target. I think Taysom knows our system better. It seemed like Jameis was in the black and only having an offseason of half reps is the cause.
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Saints have a history of making young QB's play extraordinary games against us. But in all fairness this game was a train-wreck from the start all the IR's and Covid Coach's out. We were doomed from the start.
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Ty Montgomery has become to our roster what Troy Brown was to the Patriots early dynasty - an all-around athlete who can assume a number of roles... |
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Ohio State has two highly rated WR's this year. I think now that the stars have aligned, we're finally going to address the position.
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The Saints drafted an Ohio State WR a few years ago and he was looking like a solid receiver. He's still on the roster. I hope he plays soon. |
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We need him badly. Still would see if Houston would un-ass Cooks. He didn’t fit a declining arm strength Brees style but he fits with Jameis style and would help a lot, til MT comes back |
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I'm still depressed....
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Re watched the first half …
Baun is completely lost in coverage. |
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I guess it’s true. You Can’t Guard Mike...when he’s not on the field.
Ok, relax Guido. I’m done,....for now. Hope he comes back soon and strong. |
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or... Brady has 276 yards, 5 TDs; Buccaneers rout Falcons 48-25 |
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If so, he is set up for failure. |
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