Saints: Jake Verity could solve short-term kicker woes

SmashMouth · 10-06-2021, 09:12 AM

K Major · 10-06-2021, 09:17 AM

Sean Payton is stubborn. Rosas cost the Saints at least 10 points over the last two weeks of football.

He'll likely roll with Cody (19/22 last season) until Lutz is fully healthy.

AsylumGuido · 10-07-2021, 12:52 PM

Placing this here, as well.

One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback.

That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad.

Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations.

Lord_Saint83 · 10-07-2021, 01:24 PM

One thing Harbaugh does really well is special team talent. So if Verity is on the PS. That means the kid has potential

Rugby Saint II · 10-07-2021, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Placing this here, as well.

One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback.

That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad.

Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations.

Business is a dog eat dog world and vice versa. I'd take a player that I want or need without worrying about future deals. They would do it to you. So.....

SmashMouth · 10-07-2021, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Placing this here, as well.

One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback.

That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad.

Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations.

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

One thing Harbaugh does really well is special team talent. So if Verity is on the PS. That means the kid has potential

Then the Saints could signed him before he went PS. Remember he waived and no one claimed him.. would've been cheaper than Rosas too.

AsylumGuido · 10-07-2021, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Business is a dog eat dog world and vice versa. I'd take a player that I want or need without worrying about future deals. They would do it to you so.....

That's the whole point Dominik was making ... that isn't the way it works in the NFL usually. There you need to pick your battles judiciously. Unlike most other businesses the NFL is very transient. For all you know you may be needing to ask the GM that you screwed over for a job the following year. And not only that, if you get a reputation for stepping on toes in that tight little circle of 32 jobs in the world you may never get your toe back in it again.

AsylumGuido · 10-07-2021, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Then the Saints could signed him before he went PS. Remember he waived and no one claimed him.. would've been cheaper than Rosas too.

So could any one of the other 30 teams besides the Saints. But they didn't, nor did the Saints. Why is that? Perhaps because they all know that he's nothing special. He made one 53 yard kick against the Saints in preseason. That's it. That's nothing special. Besides that one kick he made one from between 20-29 yards, went 2 out of three from 40-49, and missed one of seven simple extra point attempts.

Why are you so enamored with him?

10-06-2021, 09:12 AM	#11
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10-06-2021, 09:17 AM	#12
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints: Jake Verity could solve short-term kicker woes Sean Payton is stubborn. Rosas cost the Saints at least 10 points over the last two weeks of football. He'll likely roll with Cody (19/22 last season) until Lutz is fully healthy.

10-07-2021, 12:52 PM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints: Jake Verity could solve short-term kicker woes Placing this here, as well. One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback. That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad. Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations.
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10-07-2021, 01:24 PM	#14
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Saints: Jake Verity could solve short-term kicker woes One thing Harbaugh does really well is special team talent. So if Verity is on the PS. That means the kid has potential SmashMouth likes this.

10-07-2021, 01:28 PM	#15
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Saints: Jake Verity could solve short-term kicker woes Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Placing this here, as well. One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback. That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad. Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations. Business is a dog eat dog world and vice versa. I'd take a player that I want or need without worrying about future deals. They would do it to you. So.....

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10-07-2021, 01:29 PM	#16
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,200 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints: Jake Verity could solve short-term kicker woes Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Placing this here, as well. One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback. That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad. Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations. Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 One thing Harbaugh does really well is special team talent. So if Verity is on the PS. That means the kid has potential Then the Saints could signed him before he went PS. Remember he waived and no one claimed him.. would've been cheaper than Rosas too.

10-07-2021, 01:37 PM	#17
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints: Jake Verity could solve short-term kicker woes Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Business is a dog eat dog world and vice versa. I'd take a player that I want or need without worrying about future deals. They would do it to you so..... That's the whole point Dominik was making ... that isn't the way it works in the NFL usually. There you need to pick your battles judiciously. Unlike most other businesses the NFL is very transient. For all you know you may be needing to ask the GM that you screwed over for a job the following year. And not only that, if you get a reputation for stepping on toes in that tight little circle of 32 jobs in the world you may never get your toe back in it again.

10-07-2021, 01:42 PM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints: Jake Verity could solve short-term kicker woes Originally Posted by SmashMouth Then the Saints could signed him before he went PS. Remember he waived and no one claimed him.. would've been cheaper than Rosas too. So could any one of the other 30 teams besides the Saints. But they didn't, nor did the Saints. Why is that? Perhaps because they all know that he's nothing special. He made one 53 yard kick against the Saints in preseason. That's it. That's nothing special. Besides that one kick he made one from between 20-29 yards, went 2 out of three from 40-49, and missed one of seven simple extra point attempts. Why are you so enamored with him?