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jeanpierre 10-19-2021 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 931845)
Cam Jordan is still a top player in the league. Not every good player gets a ton of sacks. Running containment on the edge doesn't really allow the outside run which lowers your sack numbers if you're not in all out rush mode. Our corners run man to man mostly which leaves the edge open to running QB's if there is no containment. Jordan is still the man in my book.

True, but the elephant in the room is Cam's being paid to not only apply pressure, disrupt, but get the QB on the ground - and that salary cap return isn't happening...

Reality is Cam's 32yo, and the decline in his play from elite to very good has a lot to do with his age...

Sean and Mickey need to be paying for current production (Ramczyk, Lattimore), not past production (Cam Jordan)...

dizzle88 10-19-2021 06:59 PM

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We have a very expensive and inactive D line at the moment with Cam and 2 1sts

jeanpierre 10-19-2021 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 931868)
We have a very expensive and inactive D line at the moment with Cam and 2 1sts

Well, three 1st(s) and a fifth... ;)

While the Davenport pick was a horrible, horrible reach, you can't say Sean hasn't recognized the importance of investing in a defensive pass rush...

He'll get a free pass from the local, suppressed press (in denial), but letting Hendrickson walk does seem counterproductive, even if he was likely unaffordable...



Rugby Saint II 10-23-2021 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 931853)
True, but the elephant in the room is Cam's being paid to not only apply pressure, disrupt, but get the QB on the ground - and that salary cap return isn't happening...

Reality is Cam's 32yo, and the decline in his play from elite to very good has a lot to do with his age...

Sean and Mickey need to be paying for current production (Ramczyk, Lattimore), not past production (Cam Jordan)...

Maybe he'll be willing to rework his contract. Other players have done that. I wonder if he values the community and team over money? My money says yes.

Boston Saint 10-23-2021 07:32 PM

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The Davenport pick/investment has been a huge disappointment that has crippled the team. Much, MUCH worse pick than Peat. Yet Peat gets all the criticism and Davenport gets a pass. Screw that !

ChrisXVI 10-23-2021 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 932014)
The Davenport pick/investment has been a huge disappointment that has crippled the team. Much, MUCH worse pick than Peat. Yet Peat gets all the criticism and Davenport gets a pass. Screw that !

Davenport is so good though and that’s what makes it hurt even more that he can’t stay healthy. When he plays he gives us these awesome glimpses of the incredible talent he has and then he’s gone.

Boston Saint 10-23-2021 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 932016)
Davenport is so good though and that’s what makes it hurt even more that he can’t stay healthy. When he plays he gives us these awesome glimpses of the incredible talent he has and then he’s gone.

That’s really kind of a myth though Chris. If you compare his per game production stats it’s worse than Trey Hendrickson in just about every category. It’s just not true that he’s worthy of this type of praise.

iceshack149 10-23-2021 10:05 PM

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I'll shoot you guys straight. Talk like this is similar to the last couple of years with Brees. It's not fun for me to discuss but it is inevitable. Cam has been the ultimate player and teammate.

subguy 10-24-2021 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 932016)
Davenport is so good though and that’s what makes it hurt even more that he can’t stay healthy. When he plays he gives us these awesome glimpses of the incredible talent he has and then he’s gone.

His play time has been as elusive as Bigfoot...

K Major 11-01-2021 08:57 AM

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Bump ...

Sacks in back-to-back games for Cam. He's only going to improve with a pi**ed off David O & Davenport on the Dline. Tanoh K(2 tackles/1 sack) continues to play well.

Atlanta O-line is struggling right now. Expect these guys to get in on Matty Ice this Sunday.

Dome Sweet Dome.

AsylumGuido 11-01-2021 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 933401)
Bump ...

Sacks in back-to-back games for Cam. He's only going to improve with a pi**ed off David O & Davenport on the Dline. Tanoh K(2 tackles/1 sack) continues to play well.

Atlanta O-line is struggling right now. Expect these guys to get in on Matty Ice this Sunday.

Dome Sweet Dome.

We'll be there this coming Sunday. Had to give our Tampa Bay tickets to my son since there was no way we could make it.

iceshack149 11-01-2021 10:59 AM

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Cam looked great yesterday. He created the Brady fumble and while he was being blocked on another play he saw an RB heading out to the flat and with his right arm he pushed the RB down... while being blocked by another grown man!

lee909 11-01-2021 11:56 AM

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Need Turner healthy too, get the 4 of them in rotation keep them fresh

K Major 11-01-2021 05:41 PM

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Cam Jordan is currently @ 96.5 sacks for his career. Getting seriously close to the 100 club with a lot of football left.

Outstanding achievement.

SmashMouth 11-01-2021 09:36 PM

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SmashMouth 11-01-2021 09:52 PM

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iceshack149 11-01-2021 10:36 PM

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It was against Fournette!!! Right on his back. When I played football we called that getting Turtled.
Even better.

K Major 12-24-2021 02:41 PM

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Cam took Tristan Wirfs lunch money twice this season ... "not effective" my arse. He puts on a clinic with the rip and swim move.


Boston Saint 12-24-2021 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 933530)
It was against Fournette!!! Right on his back. When I played football we called that getting Turtled.
Even better.

They had turtles back then ? 🤪 🐢

SmashMouth 12-24-2021 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939427)
Cam took Tristan Wirfs lunch money twice this season ... "not effective" my arse. He puts on a clinic with the rip and swim move.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1472996288824229897

Maybe the one game rest was beneficial for Cam afterall.

iceshack149 12-25-2021 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 939434)
They had turtles back then ? 🤪 🐢

It was "triceratops" actually but I'm trying to keep it relevant for the kids.

vpheughan 12-25-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 931875)
Well, three 1st(s) and a fifth... ;)

While the Davenport pick was a horrible, horrible reach, you can't say Sean hasn't recognized the importance of investing in a defensive pass rush...

He'll get a free pass from the local, suppressed press (in denial), but letting Hendrickson walk does seem counterproductive, even if he was likely unaffordable...


https://twitter.com/Bengals/status/1450525667246977027

SO, TRUE TO FORM. HAVING IT BOTH WAYS, COMPLAIN ABOUT A PLAYER THAT "GOT AWAY" AND IN THE SAME BREATH ADMIT "letting Hendrickson walk does seem counterproductive, EVEN IF HE WAS UNAFFORDABLE..."

lee909 12-25-2021 04:02 PM

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It was Hendrickson or Williams last year. Difference was Williams has consistently showed himself as a major part of the secondary. Probably would even be questioned if Turner could actually stay on the field.

K Major 12-25-2021 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 939492)
It was Hendrickson or Williams last year. Difference was Williams has consistently showed himself as a major part of the secondary. Probably would even be questioned if Turner could actually stay on the field.

Most of us have somewhat forgotten about Payton.

He had injury "issues" in college too. Not sure what's up with our latest 1st rounder DE who can't stay healthy.

Just do whatever Demario, Malcolm J, and Cam do on a daily basis to take care of their bodies.

K Major 01-03-2022 09:37 AM

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Bump ...

Over the last 3 games, Cam has 7.5 sacks.

Ridiculous stats.

K Major 01-03-2022 09:39 AM

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8 combined
2 assisted
3.5 sacks

Another incredible showing from Cameron Jordan.

Erect this man's statue out front once his playing days are over. He has a story to tell.

K Major 01-03-2022 10:03 AM

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vpheughan 01-03-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940588)
8 combined
2 assisted
3.5 sacks

Another incredible showing from Cameron Jordan.

Erect this man's statue out front once his playing days are over. He has a story to tell.


Yet look at what one of THE EGGSPURTS wanted to do to generate cap space way back when....

Cam Jordan, also a post 1 June move of trade or cut, would save $13.9M...

Boston Saint 01-03-2022 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 930884)
Sometimes older veteran players take a while to get rolling. Hopefully after the bye his play will start to pick up.

You called this one!

Boston Saint 01-03-2022 10:42 AM

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I like that he lost the dreads. Some guys look good with them (Demario Davis) but they don’t look right on him IMO. His face is too...pretty! 🤪

neugey 01-03-2022 11:34 AM

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I think Cameron has been doing his best lately to get Halo to delete this thread from the forum!

SaintGnome 01-03-2022 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940590)

Love this guy, took the game over

iceshack149 01-03-2022 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940590)

The dude is amazing! He just played a full game, got 3.5 sacks and still has all that energy.

K Major 01-03-2022 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 940660)
The dude is amazing! He just played a full game, got 3.5 sacks and still has all that energy.

Facts.

But for me, it's the ability to play at an elite level for over a decade & never miss work.

That's just insane to me.

saintfan 01-04-2022 11:24 AM

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Another one of these "we better enjoy him now" players. He is a unique human - I could listen to him rattle on for hours.

Rell&Gold 01-05-2022 12:52 AM

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Trey is a sack machine but he still gets bullied in the run game and 22tackles ? someone please explain how Davenport misses 8weeks and him and Trey have the same amount of tackles or maybe one more. Sacks dont always tell the whole story some guys ONLY have sacks nothing else. MD is going to be a player when it is said and done is going to be labeled a game changer.

AsylumGuido 01-05-2022 08:20 AM

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