DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ?
 

Is he on the downside in terms of production versus his previous years?

https://i.imgur.com/bhhBGZX.gif

Maybe we need to wait until Davenport and Onyemata are back before making an assessment?

With our yo-yo performance of late, maybe we should consider this as part of the challenges our D is going through.

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Sometimes older veteran players take a while to get rolling. Hopefully after the bye his play will start to pick up.

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It’d like to see him in the interior with oynemata. The pressure they’d get up the middle will disrupt any QB. Edge rushing is easier for a QB to navigate than pressure in his face up the middle. Even Drew had troubles with interior pressure

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Not as effective as he once was is still about twice as effective as Davenport is.

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Hell yeah he’s on the downside. He’s 32 years old. It took a while for him to become a good pass rusher in the first place and now Father Time is taking it away. It feels like the only times he gets pressure now is on a stunt when the guard doesn’t pick him up or when the QB is out of the pocket.

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Couldn't it be that he's been nation making ... With number 5 on the way ? :confused:

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Mebbe...

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Let's see how he does when we get a decent DT.

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That’s not out the realm of possibility. Didn’t think of that possibly, with Oynemata back it might free him and the other edge rusher up. Oyenmata might be the key for this d-line to really flourish.

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I was just watching the highlights of the WFT game and on most of their big plays he was doubled, and not a lineman and a back, two lineman. He looks fast as ever, just needs more help.

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Funny you should mention that… I’m sure a lot of you have seen this graphic recently. It basically shows edge rusher double team rate combined with pass rush win rate.

https://i.ibb.co/vmQhdM3/24291-F14-7...-E03-E2-E6.jpg

Jordan, Granderson and Turner are double teamed more than any DE not named Nick Bosa. Our DT’s are sooo bad that O-Line’s only focus on blocking our edge rushers.

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Turner is a rookie, learning every week as well as getting doubled (see chart) & Granderson hasn't put it all together yet.

Enter David O (disruption in the middle) Davenport in a few weeks as well as Kwon (Blitzer), things drastically change.

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He may not be getting sacks, but he's in the backfield with pressure a lot still. And then there's that knocked down pass in the last game.

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To add to evaluation of Jordan’s play this year is the fact that Trey Hendrickson has 4.5 sacks in 5 games in Cincinnati. Of course Guido is gonna complain and moan when I compare his production to Davenport and the 2 first round picks spent on him. But it would be nice to have that production opposite Cam.

But not having Malcolm Brownnand David O on the field has an impact as well.

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Trey wasn't an option. Saints could not afford him.

Ramz and Latt were much bigger priorities.

I can't blame the front office brass for letting Trey walk in FA.

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That’s true. Sorry, I was not saying they should/could have kept Trey. Just pointing out that so far up to this point in the season there hasn’t been much help opposite Jordan.

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How is TRex doing anyway...

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He's balling.

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I gotcha Boston Saint :bng: and you're right. Not much help opposite CJ at the moment. I'm excited about the second half of the season though.

Getting back David and hopefully ... hopefully, we get back Davenport. New ball game with those two guys on the defensive front.

I will say Tanoh has performed well thus far in a rotational role.

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How bout' he's getting double teamed on every play. Hard to be effective when you have to fight off 2 linemen.

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I think you will see his numbers go up with Oneyemata and Davenport back in the line up. Pressure elsewhere on the line will give him freedom to unleash fury. If he's in single coverage, I'll still take Cam against almost any individual OL in the league!

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Not concerned about Cam

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Good info

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Cam Jordan is one of my all time favorite Saints. He's playing fine but he needs help on the interior.

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Yep yep. Cam has gotten his fair share of one on one battles but isn’t winning.

Like the guy stated in the video, other guys on the interior must step up as well. Can’t wait to get David, Davenport and Kwon back.

My target 🎯 date for all 3 would be the Tampa game.

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I think we are feeling the effects of losing Hendrickson more than people want to believe……..

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Trey had one monster year and being kinda meh for 3 seasons.

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This is true and deep IMO. Not only do you look at the production of the player, but also look to the resources used to obtain the player. That has a big impact on a team.

Let’s compare two receivers; Tre’Quan Smith and Marcus Colston. Now, obviously Colston was A much better wide receiver and that helped the team. But it’s notable because Colston’s production vs resources and “expectation” was extremely high. Smith’s has been much lower.

Let’s look at Reggie Bush and Kamara. Both very productive backs. Both very dangerous and used well in the offensive scheme. But a IMO Kamara gets more love and respect and has been more “valuable” because he was a bit of a surprise and bargain comparatively (a second and seventh I believe). IIFRC they had Peterson signed as a backup to Ingram already when Kamara ppl was taken vs Bush who was under pressure and had expectations from his first day in camp and had a very high draft pick invested that needed a high return.

Now let’s look at Hendrickson and his investment as a third round pick vs Davenport as 2 first rounders and a third. Simple analyses shows having a good return on investment at a third rounder (like Hendrickson) is huge vs not getting your return (like Smith and Davenport).

So it’s cost is not just missing his production, but also on not having the resources at other positions.

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Yeah it would’ve been a gamble betting on a guy’s contract year spike in production… Unfortunately Hendrickson has 5.5 sacks already this season for Cincy so it ended up not being a fluke.

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Water under the bridge. Time to move on.

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Oh Boy... that horrid ten first round picks trade for Mr. Glass Jr. Marcus Davenport.

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Woe be us! Forgive our pick wasting souls.

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ZZZZZZ! Yawn.

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Cam Jordan is still a top player in the league. Not every good player gets a ton of sacks. Running containment on the edge doesn't really allow the outside run which lowers your sack numbers if you're not in all out rush mode. Our corners run man to man mostly which leaves the edge open to running QB's if there is no containment. Jordan is still the man in my book.