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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by K Major Trey had one monster year and being kinda meh for 3 seasons. Yeah it would’ve been a gamble betting on a guy’s contract year spike in production… Unfortunately Hendrickson has 5.5 sacks already this season ...

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Old 10-17-2021, 05:29 PM   #31
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Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ?

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Trey had one monster year and being kinda meh for 3 seasons.
Yeah it would’ve been a gamble betting on a guy’s contract year spike in production… Unfortunately Hendrickson has 5.5 sacks already this season for Cincy so it ended up not being a fluke.
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Old 10-18-2021, 02:04 AM   #32
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Trey had one monster year and being kinda meh for 3 seasons.
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This is true and deep IMO. Not only do you look at the production of the player, but also look to the resources used to obtain the player. That has a big impact on a team.

Let’s compare two receivers; Tre’Quan Smith and Marcus Colston. Now, obviously Colston was A much better wide receiver and that helped the team. But it’s notable because Colston’s production vs resources and “expectation” was extremely high. Smith’s has been much lower.

Let’s look at Reggie Bush and Kamara. Both very productive backs. Both very dangerous and used well in the offensive scheme. But a IMO Kamara gets more love and respect and has been more “valuable” because he was a bit of a surprise and bargain comparatively (a second and seventh I believe). IIFRC they had Peterson signed as a backup to Ingram already when Kamara ppl was taken vs Bush who was under pressure and had expectations from his first day in camp and had a very high draft pick invested that needed a high return.

Now let’s look at Hendrickson and his investment as a third round pick vs Davenport as 2 first rounders and a third. Simple analyses shows having a good return on investment at a third rounder (like Hendrickson) is huge vs not getting your return (like Smith and Davenport).

So it’s cost is not just missing his production, but also on not having the resources at other positions.
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Yeah it would’ve been a gamble betting on a guy’s contract year spike in production… Unfortunately Hendrickson has 5.5 sacks already this season for Cincy so it ended up not being a fluke.
Have been big on Hendrickson since the 2017 draft cycle...

Knew when he broke out he'd be playing elsewhere with the team cap investment and draft capital being committed...

Too bad, we let another good one get away, and I wish him all the best...

Am bullish on Payton Turner and like him as Cam's replacement; in fact, wouldn't be surprised we seize cap savings the next off-season with a post 6/1 move...

But as mentioned, a lot of what if's to consider because of how heavily Sean and his yes-man foolishly invested in a player that was not a franchise QB...
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Water under the bridge. Time to move on.
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Re: DE cameron Jordan not as effective as he once was ?

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Have been big on Hendrickson since the 2017 draft cycle...

Knew when he broke out he'd be playing elsewhere with the team cap investment and draft capital being committed...

Too bad, we let another good one get away, and I wish him all the best...

Am bullish on Payton Turner and like him as Cam's replacement; in fact, wouldn't be surprised we seize cap savings the next off-season with a post 6/1 move...

But as mentioned, a lot of what if's to consider because of how heavily Sean and his yes-man foolishly invested in a player that was not a franchise QB...
Oh Boy... that horrid ten first round picks trade for Mr. Glass Jr. Marcus Davenport.
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Oh Boy... that horrid ten first round picks trade for Mr. Glass Jr. Marcus Davenport.
Woe be us! Forgive our pick wasting souls.

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Oh Boy... that horrid ten first round picks trade for Mr. Glass Jr. Marcus Davenport.
What we could have used that second 1st round pick?

The 2019 NFL Draft Class featured WRz(s) DK Metcalf, A. J. Brown, Deebo Samuel - imagine Sean having anyone of those right now...
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What we could have used that second 1st round pick?

The 2019 NFL Draft Class featured WRz(s) DK Metcalf, A. J. Brown, Deebo Samuel - imagine Sean having anyone of those right now...
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Old 10-19-2021, 02:49 PM   #39
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And then we haven't done too bad with fifth round picks; another really good find in that fifth round at DT would be great right now...
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Cam Jordan is still a top player in the league. Not every good player gets a ton of sacks. Running containment on the edge doesn't really allow the outside run which lowers your sack numbers if you're not in all out rush mode. Our corners run man to man mostly which leaves the edge open to running QB's if there is no containment. Jordan is still the man in my book.
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