Featured Discussion Saints @ Seahawks Game Day Thread

[winmill1]

Winston's play is not improving. It's the same every week. He makes a couple nice throws but misses on some head-scratchers. He isn't the answer. Our receivers aren't good either but he looked horrible in the 1st half. Our offense has no rhythm or consistency. I'm not saying Taysom is the answer either but you never know. This d we just played is horrible.

[K Major]

Originally Posted by winmill1

Winston's play is not improving. It's the same every week. He makes a couple nice throws but misses on some head-scratchers. He isn't the answer. Our receivers aren't good either but he looked horrible in the 1st half. Our offense has no rhythm or consistency. I'm not saying Taysom is the answer either but you never know. This d we just played is horrible.

This is Jameis 4th start with ZERO turnovers. He’s also our second leading rusher on the team. From the games I’ve watched (all of them), he’s not working with much at WR/TE position either. Make shift O line to start the season, yet was still able to pull of 4 wins thus far. No Taysom or Deonte’ tonight either.

“Not improving “ is a stretch.

[jnormand]

Originally Posted by K Major

This is Jameis 4th start with ZERO turnovers. He’s also our second leading rusher on the team. From the games I’ve watched (all of them), he’s not working with much at WR/TE position either. Make shift O line to start the season, yet was still able to pull of 4 wins thus far. No Taysom or Deonte’ tonight either.

“Not improving “ is a stretch.

Honest question here. When is the "no WR/TE" excuse going to end? Does it go away after MT returns? I'm serious. At what point is Winston going to have a fair assessment without excuses or exceptions?

[Boston Saint]

Originally Posted by jnormand

Honest question here. When is the "no WR/TE" excuse going to end? Does it go away after MT returns? I'm serious. At what point is Winston going to have a fair assessment without excuses or exceptions?

I’d say it ends when his receivers and TEs stop dropping passes,
running wrong routes, and fumbling the ball. Also there was miserable weather last night in Seattle. When you see the skill position players that teams like Az, TB, LA have it is extremely valid to point out how sub-par what Winston has to work with is. It ain’t an excuse if it’s true.

[K Major]

Originally Posted by jnormand

Honest question here. When is the "no WR/TE" excuse going to end? Does it go away after MT returns? I'm serious. At what point is Winston going to have a fair assessment without excuses or exceptions?

Not having a consistent play at the WR position isn't an excuse. This WR group is below average. White, Stills, Trequan had chances to help but failed last night. Don't have the stats but I counted 7 drops. Maybe more. Our WR core is the worst in the league. They caught 4 passes last night. Rain played a part but still, that's awful. Trautman continues to fumble the ball away.

Go listen to a Nick Underhill or Deuce Windham podcast that will illustrate how little separation these guys are getting.

More importantly for me, Jameis isn't costing us games with dumb, costly picks. I just can't get on board with the OP saying Jameis isn't "improving".

[SmashMouth]

Originally Posted by jnormand

Honest question here. When is the "no WR/TE" excuse going to end? Does it go away after MT returns? I'm serious. At what point is Winston going to have a fair assessment without excuses or exceptions?

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’d say it ends when his receivers and TEs stop dropping passes,
running wrong routes, and fumbling the ball. Also there was miserable weather last night in Seattle. When you see the skill position players that teams like Az, TB, LA have it is extremely valid to point out how sub-par what Winston has to work with is. It ain’t an excuse if it’s true.

Originally Posted by K Major

Not having a consistent play at the WR position isn't an excuse. This WR group is below average. White, Stills, Trequan had chances to help but failed last night. Don't have the stats but I counted 7 drops. Maybe more. Our WR core is the worst in the league. They caught 4 passes last night. Rain played a part but still, that's awful. Trautman continues to fumble the ball away.

Go listen to a Nick Underhill or Deuce Windham podcast that will illustrate how little separation these guys are getting.

More importantly for me, Jameis isn't costing us games with dumb, costly picks. I just can't get on board with the OP saying Jameis isn't "improving".

I agree that it seems to be mainly WRs not getting open enough. OTOH, Jameis isn't reading/processing as fast as Brees. Hence Brees making an average WR look better than they should look. Nonetheless it falls on coaches to coach that up, even WR Coach Curtis Johnson. These are paid professionals, presumably. It's good to see Jameis get in TQ's grill last night. We have to be very pleased so far with the dramatic improvement over everybody's argument that 30 INTs were fixing to come our way. Just how many teams would love to have this kind of QB play right about now? Hello, JETS?