Observations from Saints Loss to the FailClowns

Boston Saint · 11-09-2021, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Trevor Siemian VS Falcons stats:

CMP% 61
YDS 249
TD 2
INT 0
Rating 94.5
Winning numbers if the D does it's job and receivers don't drop 8 passes

Lost a fumble on a sack, right?

AsylumGuido · 11-09-2021, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Trevor Siemian VS Falcons stats:

CMP% 61
YDS 249
TD 2
INT 0
Rating 94.5
Winning numbers if the D does it's job and receivers don't drop 8 passes

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Lost a fumble on a sack, right?

Yes, he lost a fumble on a sack.

One thing I noticed from the stands was how Siemian was hesitating when seeing the open man. He clearly does not have a powerful enough arm to zip the ball in there late. He had an open man on multiple occasions only to have the defender easily move to the ball after it was released and beat the ball there. This happened on both intermediate and deep attempts. (These observations were not only my own, but were being expressed by quite a few fans in our section.)

Yes, there were several drops, but on at least half of those the ball could have been positioned much better.

Siemian's positive numbers mostly came after the Falcons had built the lead and started playing more of a prevent defense.

The two pass attempts (both completed) by Hill had far greater zip.

I can understand trying to utilize Siemian as the starter if you were going to use Hill as a weapon, but Hill only saw 17% of the offensive snaps. His most productive coming when in at QB.

dizzle88 · 11-09-2021, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Trevor Siemian VS Falcons stats:

CMP% 61
YDS 249
TD 2
INT 0
Rating 94.5
Winning numbers if the D does it's job and receivers don't drop 8 passes

Wipe away 8 drops, he ends up with about 80-90% completion percentage and probably a couple more TD's because of extended drives.

jeanpierre · 11-09-2021, 08:57 AM

K Major · 11-09-2021, 10:13 AM

Big picture, you aren't going anywhere (post-season) if guys at WR/TE can't make plays to move the chains no matter who is under center.

I've never seen so many Saints receivers not consistently create separation in an NFL football game.

Hopefully, the Saints get rid of 80-90% of the WR group this off-season.

Allen Robinson, Michael Gallup, Chris Godwin, DJ Chark & Tim Patrick, Shuster, OJ Howard, Hurst) (All Free Agents) need to be seriously considered in 2022 as well as the draft.

saintfan · 11-09-2021, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Big picture, you aren't going anywhere (post-season) if guys at WR/TE can't make plays to move the chains no matter who is under center.

I've never seen so many Saints receivers not consistently create separation in an NFL football game.

Hopefully, the Saints get rid of 80-90% of the WR group this off-season.

Allen Robinson, Michael Gallup, Chris Godwin, DJ Chark & Tim Patrick, Shuster, OJ Howard, Hurst) (All Free Agents) need to be seriously considered in 2022 as well as the draft.

I LOVE the idea of cleaning house at WR. We need a freaking TE who can catch too. Keep Thomas, Harris...and maybe Smith can get his head out of his

, but I'm not holding my breath.

Lord_Saint83 · 11-09-2021, 01:18 PM

This defense gives up a lot of yards at home. I wonder why that is. If we get into the playoffs, I rather them play all their games on the road.

saintsfan1976 · 11-09-2021, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

This defense gives up a lot of yards at home. I wonder why that is. If we get into the playoffs, I rather them play all their games on the road.

2 home games this year. not enough data.

Boston Saint · 11-09-2021, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

2 home games this year. not enough data.

Giants Bucs and Falcons.

saintsfan1976 · 11-11-2021, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Giants Bucs and Falcons.

My 1 year bday present to you Boston

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Observations from Saints Loss to the FailClowns Originally Posted by vpheughan Trevor Siemian VS Falcons stats: CMP% 61 YDS 249 TD 2 INT 0 Rating 94.5 Winning numbers if the D does it's job and receivers don't drop 8 passes Originally Posted by Boston Saint Lost a fumble on a sack, right? Yes, he lost a fumble on a sack. One thing I noticed from the stands was how Siemian was hesitating when seeing the open man. He clearly does not have a powerful enough arm to zip the ball in there late. He had an open man on multiple occasions only to have the defender easily move to the ball after it was released and beat the ball there. This happened on both intermediate and deep attempts. (These observations were not only my own, but were being expressed by quite a few fans in our section.) Yes, there were several drops, but on at least half of those the ball could have been positioned much better. Siemian's positive numbers mostly came after the Falcons had built the lead and started playing more of a prevent defense. The two pass attempts (both completed) by Hill had far greater zip. I can understand trying to utilize Siemian as the starter if you were going to use Hill as a weapon, but Hill only saw 17% of the offensive snaps. His most productive coming when in at QB. MarchingOn likes this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints Loss to the FailClowns Big picture, you aren't going anywhere (post-season) if guys at WR/TE can't make plays to move the chains no matter who is under center. I've never seen so many Saints receivers not consistently create separation in an NFL football game. Hopefully, the Saints get rid of 80-90% of the WR group this off-season. Allen Robinson, Michael Gallup, Chris Godwin, DJ Chark & Tim Patrick, Shuster, OJ Howard, Hurst) (All Free Agents) need to be seriously considered in 2022 as well as the draft. saintfan, jnormand, leilung and 3 others like this.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from Saints Loss to the FailClowns Originally Posted by K Major Big picture, you aren't going anywhere (post-season) if guys at WR/TE can't make plays to move the chains no matter who is under center. I've never seen so many Saints receivers not consistently create separation in an NFL football game. Hopefully, the Saints get rid of 80-90% of the WR group this off-season. Allen Robinson, Michael Gallup, Chris Godwin, DJ Chark & Tim Patrick, Shuster, OJ Howard, Hurst) (All Free Agents) need to be seriously considered in 2022 as well as the draft. I LOVE the idea of cleaning house at WR. We need a freaking TE who can catch too. Keep Thomas, Harris...and maybe Smith can get his head out of his , but I'm not holding my breath. K Major likes this.

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Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Observations from Saints Loss to the FailClowns This defense gives up a lot of yards at home. I wonder why that is. If we get into the playoffs, I rather them play all their games on the road.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,057 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints Loss to the FailClowns Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 This defense gives up a lot of yards at home. I wonder why that is. If we get into the playoffs, I rather them play all their games on the road. 2 home games this year. not enough data. jeanpierre likes this.

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