Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans

neugey · 11-15-2021, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Too many judgement calls being made at crucial times affecting the final score.

And the NFL sure has become cozy with the gambling aspect. While the NFL flatly refuses to address the officiating in any meaningful way, and with so many viable options, it just makes one take a serious look at what could really be going on here.

It's not that I don't agree - I see it in a fair number of NFL games - but I'm not sure what we can do about it. It's not just an NFL problem either. There have been some dubious officiating at NCAA Div I games that make bad NFL calls this year look tame by comparison. Maybe it is the gambling influence, or just the lack of governance and accountability around officiating in the sport in general.

ChrisXVI · 11-15-2021, 10:54 AM

Technology has kind of ruined the viewing experience when it comes to bad refs. A flag gets thrown and then we see 12 replays from 12 different angles showing that it was a bad call and we just have to accept it.

cmike · 11-15-2021, 10:59 AM

Trequan is quietly have a good comeback after his first game. Those two catches at the back of end zone, even though they didn’t count, were quite impressive.

Boston Saint · 11-15-2021, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Technology has kind of ruined the viewing experience when it comes to bad refs. A flag gets thrown and then we see 12 replays from 12 different angles showing that it was a bad call and we just have to accept it.

This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion.

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2021, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Too many judgement calls being made at crucial times affecting the final score.

And the NFL sure has become cozy with the gambling aspect. While the NFL flatly refuses to address the officiating in any meaningful way, and with so many viable options, it just makes one take a serious look at what could really be going on here.

It is the gambling aspect that is going to drive getting this issue under control. They do NOT want game outcomes determined by horrible, yet correctible, officiating calls. That costs the gambling industry dollars. The public and independent media sources have been complaining about this for years with no action. Well, they did make the bogus attempt to address it after the "no call", but we saw how that turned out. Now that the gambling industry has become a partner they can turn up the heat. I'll bet we have the "eye in the sky" official next year that can overturn ANY play or penalty.

saintfan · 11-15-2021, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion.

One of many examples. The league's refusal to address the issue boggles the mind if fair play is truly their primary concern, which we know it is not. A Vegas pool tournament is more closely officiated...lol

jonnyrotten · 11-15-2021, 12:26 PM

I took my son to the game yesterday and between drink refills and peeing every 5 minutes, the one thing i observed was that Lattimore sucked IMO. The crossing routes that we got beat on (as far as i could tell) were against Lattimore's coverage. I didn't watch the game again after so not sure if that was zone or what not but man if he actually cared, he would be amazing. He just doesn't really appear to give a rip.

Anyone else notice that or did i just not see it correctly?

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2021, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion.

This exact subject was discussed last week on NFL Radio. I forget who said it, but they said that the NFL has enough money to install permanent camera setups to ensure all games have the optimal coverage for full replay reviewal of plays and calls.

Once again, hopefully the addition of the gambling industry as a major stakeholder will help in finally getting something done.

Boston Saint · 11-15-2021, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This exact subject was discussed last week on NFL Radio. I forget who said it, but they said that the NFL has enough money to install permanent camera setups to ensure all games have the optimal coverage for full replay reviewal of plays and calls.

Once again, hopefully the addition of the gambling industry as a major stakeholder will help in finally getting something done.

That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late.

Sinner · 11-15-2021, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

And this is where the “proof” of rigged games lies to me. Look at that Steeler/Bear game the other night. They’ve admitted they screwed it up and there is NO CONSEQUENCE! There never is. From this game to the no call PI in the NFC playoffs, there are numerous times the NFL has screwed up calls and admitted it yet they continue to take no actions to improve. People still eat it up. They don’t care. Some wouldn’t care if the league admitted it was fixed because they still would watch because they don’t know who they will fix it for and weather it will be enough to change the outcome. The league darlings teams that always get the calls make up probably 60 plus percent of NFL fans. As long as the league made those groups happy and give other teams the shaft, they still would have viewers and still would be making millions.

Salient Point.

11-15-2021, 10:53 AM	#41
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,590 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by saintfan Too many judgement calls being made at crucial times affecting the final score. And the NFL sure has become cozy with the gambling aspect. While the NFL flatly refuses to address the officiating in any meaningful way, and with so many viable options, it just makes one take a serious look at what could really be going on here. It's not that I don't agree - I see it in a fair number of NFL games - but I'm not sure what we can do about it. It's not just an NFL problem either. There have been some dubious officiating at NCAA Div I games that make bad NFL calls this year look tame by comparison. Maybe it is the gambling influence, or just the lack of governance and accountability around officiating in the sport in general. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-15-2021, 10:54 AM	#42
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Technology has kind of ruined the viewing experience when it comes to bad refs. A flag gets thrown and then we see 12 replays from 12 different angles showing that it was a bad call and we just have to accept it. jeanpierre and Boston Saint like this.

11-15-2021, 10:59 AM	#43
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,379	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Trequan is quietly have a good comeback after his first game. Those two catches at the back of end zone, even though they didn’t count, were quite impressive.

11-15-2021, 11:16 AM	#44
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Technology has kind of ruined the viewing experience when it comes to bad refs. A flag gets thrown and then we see 12 replays from 12 different angles showing that it was a bad call and we just have to accept it. This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion. saintfan, SmashMouth, WW_Who_Dat and 2 others like this.
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11-15-2021, 12:02 PM	#45
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by saintfan Too many judgement calls being made at crucial times affecting the final score. And the NFL sure has become cozy with the gambling aspect. While the NFL flatly refuses to address the officiating in any meaningful way, and with so many viable options, it just makes one take a serious look at what could really be going on here. It is the gambling aspect that is going to drive getting this issue under control. They do NOT want game outcomes determined by horrible, yet correctible, officiating calls. That costs the gambling industry dollars. The public and independent media sources have been complaining about this for years with no action. Well, they did make the bogus attempt to address it after the "no call", but we saw how that turned out. Now that the gambling industry has become a partner they can turn up the heat. I'll bet we have the "eye in the sky" official next year that can overturn ANY play or penalty. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.
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11-15-2021, 12:09 PM	#46
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion. One of many examples. The league's refusal to address the issue boggles the mind if fair play is truly their primary concern, which we know it is not. A Vegas pool tournament is more closely officiated...lol Boston Saint likes this.

11-15-2021, 12:26 PM	#47
jonnyrotten 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans I took my son to the game yesterday and between drink refills and peeing every 5 minutes, the one thing i observed was that Lattimore sucked IMO. The crossing routes that we got beat on (as far as i could tell) were against Lattimore's coverage. I didn't watch the game again after so not sure if that was zone or what not but man if he actually cared, he would be amazing. He just doesn't really appear to give a rip. Anyone else notice that or did i just not see it correctly?

11-15-2021, 12:31 PM	#48
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion. This exact subject was discussed last week on NFL Radio. I forget who said it, but they said that the NFL has enough money to install permanent camera setups to ensure all games have the optimal coverage for full replay reviewal of plays and calls. Once again, hopefully the addition of the gambling industry as a major stakeholder will help in finally getting something done. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-15-2021, 12:44 PM	#49
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This exact subject was discussed last week on NFL Radio. I forget who said it, but they said that the NFL has enough money to install permanent camera setups to ensure all games have the optimal coverage for full replay reviewal of plays and calls. Once again, hopefully the addition of the gambling industry as a major stakeholder will help in finally getting something done. That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late.

11-15-2021, 01:14 PM	#50
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,767	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint And this is where the “proof” of rigged games lies to me. Look at that Steeler/Bear game the other night. They’ve admitted they screwed it up and there is NO CONSEQUENCE! There never is. From this game to the no call PI in the NFC playoffs, there are numerous times the NFL has screwed up calls and admitted it yet they continue to take no actions to improve. People still eat it up. They don’t care. Some wouldn’t care if the league admitted it was fixed because they still would watch because they don’t know who they will fix it for and weather it will be enough to change the outcome. The league darlings teams that always get the calls make up probably 60 plus percent of NFL fans. As long as the league made those groups happy and give other teams the shaft, they still would have viewers and still would be making millions. Salient Point.
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