Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans

saintfan · 11-15-2021, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late.

The things they're 'considering' behind those closed doors would probably stagger us all. They knew 6 years ago what we are seeing now. They're not stupid. They're very smart. They know exactly what they're doing. The trick is to keep us looking 'over there' whilst they do their business 'over here', so to speak. The end is more revenue. The means to get there are pre-justified, and fair play is absolutely on the table...by another name called "the competition committee".

neugey · 11-15-2021, 03:46 PM

One thing I have been wondering - are the missed extra points really Brian Johnson's fault, or is something else - the snap or the hold or laces being held in wrong spot - causing the issue? Both of those misses were not horrible shanks - both kicks looked straight at first, and then took a crazy hook to the left. Very puzzling. Might not want to throw Johnson under the bus without more info.

Boston Saint · 11-15-2021, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

One thing I have been wondering - are the missed extra points really Brian Johnson's fault, or is something else - the snap or the hold or laces being held in wrong spot - causing the issue? Both of those misses were not horrible shanks - both kicks looked straight at first, and then took a crazy hook to the left. Very puzzling. Might not want to throw Johnson under the bus without more info.

Good point. I wonder if Rugby knows anything about kicking balls.

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2021, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

One thing I have been wondering - are the missed extra points really Brian Johnson's fault, or is something else - the snap or the hold or laces being held in wrong spot - causing the issue? Both of those misses were not horrible shanks - both kicks looked straight at first, and then took a crazy hook to the left. Very puzzling. Might not want to throw Johnson under the bus without more info.

Look at the flags on the top of the goal posts. There was a heavy wind blowing in the direction of the misses. The configuration of the stadium might allow a cross wind just before that goal post. The home kicker would be aware of that. A front moved in just before kickoff. Remember the announcers mentioning the clouds that had just appeared? Perhaps Johnson practiced his kicks without that wind and underestimated its impact. Or maybe he just sucks.

iceshack149 · 11-15-2021, 05:35 PM

Long snapper and holder have been the same all year, right? Kickers are a mess.

jnormand · 11-15-2021, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Good point. I wonder if Rugby knows anything about kicking balls.

I heard Rugby loves balls. Lol!

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2021, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I heard Rugby loves balls. Lol!

Camping related?

Rugby Saint II · 11-15-2021, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Good point. I wonder if Rugby knows anything about kicking balls.

I'm definitely not a kicker. I made one kick in my life and it was a drop kick. However, I'm good with dribble kicks and pop kicks. My possession kicks are a thing of beauty I'm told. My punts can only travel as much as 20 meters but like I said my kicks actually are laughable.

neugey · 11-15-2021, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Look at the flags on the top of the goal posts. There was a heavy wind blowing in the direction of the misses. The configuration of the stadium might allow a cross wind just before that goal post. The home kicker would be aware of that. A front moved in just before kickoff. Remember the announcers mentioning the clouds that had just appeared? Perhaps Johnson practiced his kicks without that wind and underestimated its impact. Or maybe he just sucks.

My tennis and golf brain tells me that if you aren't adjusting for the wind, then that's also on you LOL. I am not sure about football rules and if they would allow you to kick XP's from the right hash to compensate for cross-wind. But every option should be on the table, especially since we somehow angered the 2-point conversion gods.

darksoul35 · 11-15-2021, 08:00 PM

I hope that ref that called that bull**** steps on a Lego and Roger chokes to death on one.

11-15-2021, 02:21 PM	#51
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late. The things they're 'considering' behind those closed doors would probably stagger us all. They knew 6 years ago what we are seeing now. They're not stupid. They're very smart. They know exactly what they're doing. The trick is to keep us looking 'over there' whilst they do their business 'over here', so to speak. The end is more revenue. The means to get there are pre-justified, and fair play is absolutely on the table...by another name called "the competition committee". iceshack149, SmashMouth, jeanpierre and 2 others like this.

11-15-2021, 03:46 PM	#52
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,695 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans One thing I have been wondering - are the missed extra points really Brian Johnson's fault, or is something else - the snap or the hold or laces being held in wrong spot - causing the issue? Both of those misses were not horrible shanks - both kicks looked straight at first, and then took a crazy hook to the left. Very puzzling. Might not want to throw Johnson under the bus without more info. SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.

11-15-2021, 04:34 PM	#53
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by neugey One thing I have been wondering - are the missed extra points really Brian Johnson's fault, or is something else - the snap or the hold or laces being held in wrong spot - causing the issue? Both of those misses were not horrible shanks - both kicks looked straight at first, and then took a crazy hook to the left. Very puzzling. Might not want to throw Johnson under the bus without more info. Good point. I wonder if Rugby knows anything about kicking balls. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-15-2021, 05:14 PM	#54
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,161	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by neugey One thing I have been wondering - are the missed extra points really Brian Johnson's fault, or is something else - the snap or the hold or laces being held in wrong spot - causing the issue? Both of those misses were not horrible shanks - both kicks looked straight at first, and then took a crazy hook to the left. Very puzzling. Might not want to throw Johnson under the bus without more info. Look at the flags on the top of the goal posts. There was a heavy wind blowing in the direction of the misses. The configuration of the stadium might allow a cross wind just before that goal post. The home kicker would be aware of that. A front moved in just before kickoff. Remember the announcers mentioning the clouds that had just appeared? Perhaps Johnson practiced his kicks without that wind and underestimated its impact. Or maybe he just sucks. neugey and stickman like this.

11-15-2021, 05:35 PM	#55
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,253 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Long snapper and holder have been the same all year, right? Kickers are a mess. jnormand likes this.

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11-15-2021, 05:57 PM	#56
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,657	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint Good point. I wonder if Rugby knows anything about kicking balls. I heard Rugby loves balls. Lol! Rugby Saint II likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,161	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by jnormand I heard Rugby loves balls. Lol! Camping related? Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-15-2021, 06:06 PM	#58
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,044	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint Good point. I wonder if Rugby knows anything about kicking balls. I'm definitely not a kicker. I made one kick in my life and it was a drop kick. However, I'm good with dribble kicks and pop kicks. My possession kicks are a thing of beauty I'm told. My punts can only travel as much as 20 meters but like I said my kicks actually are laughable. jnormand and Boston Saint like this.

11-15-2021, 07:17 PM	#59
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,695 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Look at the flags on the top of the goal posts. There was a heavy wind blowing in the direction of the misses. The configuration of the stadium might allow a cross wind just before that goal post. The home kicker would be aware of that. A front moved in just before kickoff. Remember the announcers mentioning the clouds that had just appeared? Perhaps Johnson practiced his kicks without that wind and underestimated its impact. Or maybe he just sucks. My tennis and golf brain tells me that if you aren't adjusting for the wind, then that's also on you LOL. I am not sure about football rules and if they would allow you to kick XP's from the right hash to compensate for cross-wind. But every option should be on the table, especially since we somehow angered the 2-point conversion gods. AsylumGuido likes this.

11-15-2021, 08:00 PM	#60
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans I hope that ref that called that bull**** steps on a Lego and Roger chokes to death on one.
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