Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans

Boston Saint · 11-15-2021, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

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No crap! Giving up (Not getting) extra points has killed the team!!!! And Payton has done what he can to address it. I know Verity’s name is one a lot of people have wanted. I don’t know why that has not happened or if he would have been the answer. But at least they have tried different kickers.

ChrisXVI · 11-15-2021, 10:54 AM

Technology has kind of ruined the viewing experience when it comes to bad refs. A flag gets thrown and then we see 12 replays from 12 different angles showing that it was a bad call and we just have to accept it.

Boston Saint · 11-15-2021, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Technology has kind of ruined the viewing experience when it comes to bad refs. A flag gets thrown and then we see 12 replays from 12 different angles showing that it was a bad call and we just have to accept it.

This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion.

saintfan · 11-15-2021, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion.

One of many examples. The league's refusal to address the issue boggles the mind if fair play is truly their primary concern, which we know it is not. A Vegas pool tournament is more closely officiated...lol

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2021, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion.

This exact subject was discussed last week on NFL Radio. I forget who said it, but they said that the NFL has enough money to install permanent camera setups to ensure all games have the optimal coverage for full replay reviewal of plays and calls.

Once again, hopefully the addition of the gambling industry as a major stakeholder will help in finally getting something done.

Boston Saint · 11-15-2021, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This exact subject was discussed last week on NFL Radio. I forget who said it, but they said that the NFL has enough money to install permanent camera setups to ensure all games have the optimal coverage for full replay reviewal of plays and calls.

Once again, hopefully the addition of the gambling industry as a major stakeholder will help in finally getting something done.

That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late.

saintfan · 11-15-2021, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late.

The things they're 'considering' behind those closed doors would probably stagger us all. They knew 6 years ago what we are seeing now. They're not stupid. They're very smart. They know exactly what they're doing. The trick is to keep us looking 'over there' whilst they do their business 'over here', so to speak. The end is more revenue. The means to get there are pre-justified, and fair play is absolutely on the table...by another name called "the competition committee".

The Dude · 11-15-2021, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late.

They don’t give a damn about the integrity of the game, all they care about is making rules that allow as many subjective penalties as they can. Refs can flag for taunting basically any time they choose and there’s no real way to measure the accuracy of the call. The NFL has become a freaking joke. I’ll watch my Saints but I am not nearly as emotionally invested in it as I have been in years past and I’m much happier for it. Sunday was the first game I’ve missed in years. I spent the day with my daughter and had a great time. I was a little bummed when I checked the score and saw we had made a comeback but later when I heard about the call on Ellis it I said **** it. I still haven’t watched the recording and I don’t plan on it.

cmike · 11-15-2021, 10:59 AM

Trequan is quietly have a good comeback after his first game. Those two catches at the back of end zone, even though they didn’t count, were quite impressive.

jonnyrotten · 11-15-2021, 12:26 PM

I took my son to the game yesterday and between drink refills and peeing every 5 minutes, the one thing i observed was that Lattimore sucked IMO. The crossing routes that we got beat on (as far as i could tell) were against Lattimore's coverage. I didn't watch the game again after so not sure if that was zone or what not but man if he actually cared, he would be amazing. He just doesn't really appear to give a rip.

Anyone else notice that or did i just not see it correctly?

11-15-2021, 10:33 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...76108067229701 https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...75535267909639 https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...74862480633858 https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...90691778633728 No crap! Giving up (Not getting) extra points has killed the team!!!! And Payton has done what he can to address it. I know Verity’s name is one a lot of people have wanted. I don’t know why that has not happened or if he would have been the answer. But at least they have tried different kickers.

11-15-2021, 10:54 AM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Technology has kind of ruined the viewing experience when it comes to bad refs. A flag gets thrown and then we see 12 replays from 12 different angles showing that it was a bad call and we just have to accept it. jeanpierre and Boston Saint like this.

11-15-2021, 11:16 AM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Technology has kind of ruined the viewing experience when it comes to bad refs. A flag gets thrown and then we see 12 replays from 12 different angles showing that it was a bad call and we just have to accept it. This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion. saintfan, SmashMouth, WW_Who_Dat and 2 others like this.
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11-15-2021, 12:09 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion. One of many examples. The league's refusal to address the issue boggles the mind if fair play is truly their primary concern, which we know it is not. A Vegas pool tournament is more closely officiated...lol Boston Saint likes this.

11-15-2021, 12:31 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint This brings up another point I’ve made with friends. There apparently is no consistency with rules as far as what cameras are required at any given game and what camera views can be used to determine replays. We are talking about a league that will fine players if they have uniform infractions. Yet this same league, that is worth billions, cannot come to a basic understanding of and fit the bill for camera usage standards for replay determination. It’s no secret that some games have more camera coverage than others. Hence they have more angles to determine replays. The fact that they have not even attempted to establish rules to govern this is just another indication that the NFL does not care if they get the calls right. It’s all about league promotion. This exact subject was discussed last week on NFL Radio. I forget who said it, but they said that the NFL has enough money to install permanent camera setups to ensure all games have the optimal coverage for full replay reviewal of plays and calls. Once again, hopefully the addition of the gambling industry as a major stakeholder will help in finally getting something done. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-15-2021, 12:44 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This exact subject was discussed last week on NFL Radio. I forget who said it, but they said that the NFL has enough money to install permanent camera setups to ensure all games have the optimal coverage for full replay reviewal of plays and calls. Once again, hopefully the addition of the gambling industry as a major stakeholder will help in finally getting something done. That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late.

11-15-2021, 01:21 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late. The things they're 'considering' behind those closed doors would probably stagger us all. They knew 6 years ago what we are seeing now. They're not stupid. They're very smart. They know exactly what they're doing. The trick is to keep us looking 'over there' whilst they do their business 'over here', so to speak. The end is more revenue. The means to get there are pre-justified, and fair play is absolutely on the table...by another name called "the competition committee". iceshack149, SmashMouth, jeanpierre and 2 others like this.

11-15-2021, 10:01 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Originally Posted by Boston Saint That’s all nice now when everyone notices it. But it’s a subject I brought up over 6 years ago and it’s something they would have had the foresight to do when they first thought of using replay if they were really interested in getting it right. If these guys running the league are just now considering the idea of standardizing camera angles for review then they are incompetent fools who don’t know how to maintain the “integrity” of the game in the first place. They are three moves too late. They don’t give a damn about the integrity of the game, all they care about is making rules that allow as many subjective penalties as they can. Refs can flag for taunting basically any time they choose and there’s no real way to measure the accuracy of the call. The NFL has become a freaking joke. I’ll watch my Saints but I am not nearly as emotionally invested in it as I have been in years past and I’m much happier for it. Sunday was the first game I’ve missed in years. I spent the day with my daughter and had a great time. I was a little bummed when I checked the score and saw we had made a comeback but later when I heard about the call on Ellis it I said **** it. I still haven’t watched the recording and I don’t plan on it. jeanpierre, Pete and Boston Saint like this.
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11-15-2021, 10:59 AM	#9
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,447	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans Trequan is quietly have a good comeback after his first game. Those two catches at the back of end zone, even though they didn’t count, were quite impressive.

11-15-2021, 12:26 PM	#10
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 512	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Titans I took my son to the game yesterday and between drink refills and peeing every 5 minutes, the one thing i observed was that Lattimore sucked IMO. The crossing routes that we got beat on (as far as i could tell) were against Lattimore's coverage. I didn't watch the game again after so not sure if that was zone or what not but man if he actually cared, he would be amazing. He just doesn't really appear to give a rip. Anyone else notice that or did i just not see it correctly?