Why Book is the man for the job
 

Fighting Irish of recent years:
- program all-time winningest coach
- iffy WR's
- good RB's
- high-level defense

2021 Saints:
- program all-time winningest coach
- iffy WR's
- good RB's
- high-level defense

Ian extends plays with his legs, creating more time for his WR's and TE's, but is also careful with the ball. He can throw on the run much better than Siemian or Hill.

Get over the fact that Book is a rookie. He played in a lot of big games with the Irish - and not against cupcakes - Irish always have a ton of tough games.

Trust Book just like we trusted Adebo.

This ain't hard.

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Payton doesn't like to play rookie QB's

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Well, for the first time in years, the offense has been to blame for the 3 consecutive losses.

If Payton is the offensive guru we are led to believe, then this is his mess to sort out.

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Does he even know the playbook?

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I leave it to the gurus. Pick the team left on the schedule that plays a style of defense Book is likeliest to succeed against and I say start him then. I'd also prefer a healthy and competent o-line please. Give me that and Kamara/Ingram II and let 'er rip with the kid from Notre Dame in the show.

Why not?

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Agreed, I mean we are losing games anyway, we aren't going to lose anything else by letting him play.

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There is also the GM aspect of this whole thing. We've been using a roster spot on him all year - because we didn't go through the practice squad transaction and risk losing him to another team.

If we had enough confidence to sacrifice a roster spot for him thus far, we should have enough faith in him to start a game. He might not be as ready as they'd like, but too bad ... we are in a league where Cooper Rush, Mike White, Tim Boyle and Mason Rudolph have started games this year. There is no need to walk on eggshells.

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Why not? Because the Saints are still in a playoff position now sitting with the 7th seed. Other NFC teams keeps losing. As bad as Siemian is he still has NFL experience and I trust him more than a rookie when games still count. The only way he should see the field is if we are mathematically eliminated and that may not happen at all.

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Siemian is our Rush, White, Boyle, and Rudolph.

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List of recent rookie QB's put into action who have been competent or better:
Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Gardner Minshew
Tua Tagavaloia
Jalen Hurts (you can debate his pedigree, and I hesitated to list him, but he's beat us twice now)
Kyler Murray
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson

So do we trust our scouting, or not?

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Most of those were drafted to start right away. All but Hurts and Minshew were drafted in the first round. Book was drafted to someday maybe have a chance after development.

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There's no possible argument that Book is a "project" QB and needs this additional "development" you are alluding to. He's the all-time winningest QB in Irish history. Plenty of starts under his belt and lots of big game experience. He played in 45 games in college ... the same number Drew Brees played in at Purdue. Maybe not as many pass attempts as Drew, but Ian played in a pro-style offense at a high level and Coach Kelly did a fine job getting him ready. This is a rookie with pedigree.



Was Book a product of an Irish system - is he fools' gold? Definitely not. The QB situation before and now after him has been a big adventure - Book however, was a stalwart with great confidence and low turnovers.



Book just doesn't have the howitzer arm strength that makes the NFL scouts/experts jizz themselves and spend a first/second round pick. Neither did Brees; luckily Brees had the Rose Bowl W and bigger passing stats working for him.


Does it suck being in this situation losing Jameis to injury and having Taysom so banged up - Yes!
Does it make sense to keep starting a very marginal and limited Siemian out of "rookie phobia" - No!


Sometimes circumstances change and you need to take the next step with a rookie QB a little sooner than you planned. Ask the coach from Baltimore if he thinks he made the wrong decision a few years ago. Now, Book is no Lamar Jackson, but he certainly could be a starter in the mold of Jake Plummer, Rich Gannon, Tony Romo or Jeff Garcia - and possibly better. If Book is the incarnation of any of those four, he'd be a sight for sore eyes compared to what we have right now!

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LMAO...

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Is this even a conversation to have now? That is, unless we are admitting that this team has zero chance to get into post season play in the 2021 season? I can't really see the point in 'we have other guys so let's see what we have' with project personnel unless means that starting him makes this team better for this season. Period.

Obviously, the coaches don't see enough to want to pull the trigger on that option... yet.

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For lots of reasons I'd bet Trevor is our starter, but I'm all for giving the kid a shot. We're .500. By the time we see the Jets my bet is we're still looking for our 6th win. It is what it is. Given our inability to pass the ball all season, let the kid play.



Playoffs? Its not a one to one, forgive me, but this is where my brain is right now...

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If we wait until it's too late and the postseason hopes are toast, then we could run into a situation where we look back and wonder what could have been if we just handed Book the reigns in week 11 or 12.


No one in their right mind sees Siemian leading us to a playoff win. Book at least gives us a chance if he provides a spark. Taysom too possibly, if he can manage to get healthy enough.


Need to give up the ghost on Siemian. We're handicapping ourselves.

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This.

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I understand the love for Book and feel he would be very good in the short passing game and as a threat to take off and run. My concern with Book is he doesn't look to have the accuracy or arm to throw past 10-15 yards.

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I take it you are a Notre Dame fan. Admittedly I really don't follow college football hardly at all beyond NC State, but I had never heard of Ian Book until we drafted him. It doesn't seem as though the front office sees him as more than a project at this point and I trust their judgement since their goal is to win games, not to see what we have. Early in the season a caller asked former Notre Dame HC Charlie Weis about Book and Weis said he likes Book a lot, but added that Book is no where near prepared to take snaps in an NFL game, but may be at some point in the future and that would be at some point beyond this season or the next when the caller asked when.

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Not a Notre Dame fan. Just watching college football over the last few years and Book really caught my eye, and over time my belief in Book has grown - with that win over Clemson being a real high point. Yes my belief in Book is a little irrational ... it's something that cannot be really explained.



Looking back, this has only happened to me with one other player - Nick Van Exel. Similar situation - saw the Cincinnati games and Van Exel popped off the screen and before long I could not shake this strong feeling that this was exactly the guard the Lakers needed to help them win (or at least keep them out of the basement) in the post-Magic era. Lo and behold Jerry West and the Lakers also saw the sleeper potential in Van Exel and stole him in the second round. From there, "Nick at Nite" Van Exel became a starter and showed clutch ability and for a period of years kept the Lakers competitive and close to .500, even if not quite playoff caliber. Without him, the Lakers would have been cellar dwellars.


Feel very much the same way about Book - a gigantic hunch that Book is destined to be a very good player and like Van Exel it is serendipity that my pro team drafted him. And we are in a better spot personnel and coaching wise than those 90's Lakers - I think he has what it takes to the continue the winning tradition Brees established, albeit with a different style of play.



Whenever Book gets his chance to shine I think you will all see how great of a fit he will be. Especially if Payton calls plays to his strengths and we do a lot more QB rollout and moving the pocket. It will reinvigorate our offense. Pretty sure I'll be asking for a Book jersey for Christmas regardless of how this goes.

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Trail by fire. I'm all for trying Book out. Other players have had success that way.Some have had great success.

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I want Jake! I want Jake! Let's see Delhomme. Put Jake in! Let Jake Play!

Oh, sorry. Flashback...

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And history is on the fans' side, as Jake ended up being productive in Carolina and was the "one that got away". It behooves us not to make the same mistake again, if possible.

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That "one that got away" was soon replaced by some guy named Brees. ;) Had we kept Delhomme we would have never had Drew. Sometimes the best moves made are the ones that weren't made. Jake was going 4-7 with the Panthers in 2009 while Brees was leading us to our first Lombardi.

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Fair point - wasn't thinking that far ahead, just remembering the Aaron Brooks roller coaster we had going on for about a 5-year span.

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I remember that well. Also remember the Jeff Blake, Billy Joe's, Heath Shuler, and Jim Everett years leading up to Brooks.

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And some have been mentally broken, which is my fear for Book. I'm good with giving him a few games if we are well out of contention so that we see better what Book has to offer. He is a fourth round pick who needs seasoning before throwing NFL defenses against him. He doesn't need trial by fire. That may work for first round draft picks. I'm guessing that Brady didn't get the start until there were no other options and even then probably not in his first year.

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Correct. Brady played in one game his first season and threw three passes completing one. He didn't play again until Drew Bledsoe went down the next year.

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Ian is the man for the job.... if the job description is holding the clipboard.

Somebody wake me up when this season is over,
unless
Sean get's a brain enema and realizes he's not going to resurrect his Brees-pocket-QB-offense with either Aaron Brooks 2.0 or Poor-choice Slim, and he starts the proper QB that earned this spot last year.

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Jeff Blake got the 2000 Saints to 7 - 3 before he got injured. I don't remember him smiling much after throwing and INT.

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Also have to add Richard Todd, Ken Stabler and one of the Wilson's (Dave, not Marc)......Hah! Oh the humanity

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Sean needs to either activate Book in a time when our QB situation is so dire, or demote him to the practice squad. If you have this little faith in him, then you shouldn't be worried about another team putting in a waiver claim.

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This blows. Play somebody else. Anybody else. We suck.

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If you can’t judge a book by its cover, can we judge Book if all our receivers are always covered?

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They're more likely to get open when Ian is moving and scrambling and buying them more time to do so.

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I would be on board with Book, I mean what are we clinging to here.

The only thing that maybe is holding SP back is he doesn't want the Kid to get killed behind that wannabe O Line.

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Exactly where my brain is - and Book knows to run. Let him run. What are we clinging on to? Next four are Dallas, NY Jets, Tampa, and Miami. We're not beating any of those teams with yesterday's effort.

We should embrace it and put the roster on the field that best reflects an attempt to win with our future. Coach took over and took a crap team to the playoffs 2 years ahead of schedule. I have faith. Lets take some lumps and find our next QB. Now is the time.

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Couldn't agree more.

As much as I wanted Trevor to succeed, the offense has been dead with him at the helm.

Give Book a shot, at this point we can't lose anything else.

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I wouldn't mind seeing him put in. He could have at least get mop up duties when a game gets out of hand, case in point (Buffalo) couldn't hurt one bit. Give him a taste to get his feet wet. I got big questions with this 0 line with little to nothing protection and no run game to boot. Any qb will have a hard time until they both get fixed. Trial by fire, good or bad.