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Taysom or Book?

I say Taysom... let him show his wares the rest of the season. And let's keep Book under wraps for later... unless Taysom stinks it up bad enough.

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I wanted Siemian to get a chance, and he got it. Hasn't worked out well. I know there have been injuries and problems with drops, but maybe the change needs to be made while there is a chance of salvaging "anything" out of this season.

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At this point, one might consider that there have been too many injuries to salvage a season. The deep cap hole for next year makes free agency acquisitions a futile dream. Retrench. Work on technique. Develop off brand talent. Plan for 2024.

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What deep cap hole? There is going to be another huge jump in the cap this year. There are several players with contracts that can easily be reworked via extension to free up quite a bit more space. There's speculation that the 2024 cap can be well over $250 million based upon the new broadcast and wagering contracts.

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I don't recall if we had cap drama when Sean took over, but I recall he had a 5 year plan that had us in the playoffs in 3.

It's time to take our lumps and build this thing again.

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How do you build when you already have a very good roster from top to bottom? Health and QB are the only two issues keeping us from a Super Bowl run as I see it. I can see addressing WR and TE, but I don't see where we need to tear anything down and rebuild.

What do you have in mind?

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As old Dandy Don Meredith would sing at the end ..."turn out the lights, the party is over.....:

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I'll be drinking early I'm sure....

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Cows HC Mike McCarthy is OUT on Thursday due to Covid, per sources.

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Fleur-de-Links, November 29: Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram return to practice

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By Adam Dunnells Nov 29, 2021, 5:00am CST

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it looks like the Saints are (gulp)... about 61 million over the agreed-upon (Will be finalized in February) 2022 salary cap will be. that’s a lot of renegotiating to do in order to get underneath it much less in a workable spot where other deals could be considered. Looks like a rookie contract (Book or a drafted player) or an undervalued underpaid veteran (perhaps one coming off an injury like Winston) or Hill will be the likely rout for the Saints at QB next year.

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There are $35 million in 2022 roster bonuses that will likely be converted to signing bonuses and prorated out. This is usual operating procedure for Loomis. There's also $70-$80 million in 2022 base salary that can be converted to signing bonuses in extensions to players that we would like to keep.

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Just saw this. Not willing to pay the subscription fee, but I'm sure he addresses the same factors that I just posted. By the way, the $35 million in roster bonus conversions require no negotiation. They are always team options only. The player gets their money all on the same day regardless.

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Imagine that, COVID in Texas. Go figure. LOL!

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How the Saints can clear $80-90 million in cap space this offseason without cutting anyone
by NICK UNDERHILL :bng:

The prognostications that the salary cap is going to sink the Saints have already started.

If you haven’t already, you’ll soon start seeing graphics and charts showing the team is projected to be about $60-70 million over the 2022 salary cap. A heavy amount, for sure, and one that carries more weight when the team needing to do the trimming is flirting with a .500 record this season.

But getting under the cap this year will not be nearly as difficult as it was last year. Thanks to the spending limit likely increasing to $208 million from $182.5 million, there is a much easier path to cap compliance than last year. The real intrigue will be more about who the Saints decide to retain than who they must cut to make the numbers work.

I’m not expecting the team to look exactly the same next year. Some of the players on the team will likely get moved or released to help clear cap space. The following exercise only shows how New Orleans can rework the current contracts to get under the cap. The purpose of doing this is to show how easily this could all happen if the organization wants to keep the current team together.

I’m also going to take a conservative approach in reworking these numbers. The Saints often get more aggressive, but I’m going to make this work within the current framework of the existing deals.

The first place you always want to look for breathing room is roster bonuses. New Orleans puts these in the future years of contracts and later converts them into signing bonuses. Doing this allows the team to prorate the cap hit over the contract’s life instead of taking it all on at once. This amount can be spread out over five years. The Saints will typically tack on voidable years to maximize the savings in the current year, but I’m only going to use the years on the books while doing this.

Here are the players who have roster bonuses and how much the Saints can save by reworking their deals:

• Marshon Lattimore: $15 million roster bonus. Total savings of $12 million.
• Taysom Hill: $9 million roster bonus. Total savings of $7.2 million.
· Ryan Ramczyk: $8.5 million roster bonus. Total savings of $6.8 million.
• Alvin Kamara: $6 million roster bonus. Total savings of $4.5 million.

Total savings from converting roster bonuses: $30.5 million

Players with big base salaries are also often targeted for cap savings. This process works the same way as the roster bonus. The team can take the base salary, convert it into a signing bonus and prorate the cap hit instead of taking it all on at once. The downside is it pushes money into the future and creates bigger burdens.

Here are some players with high base salaries.

• Michael Thomas. $15.35 million base salary. Total savings of $10.2 million.
• Cam Jordan: $13.6 million base salary. Total savings of $9.1 million.
• Andrus Peat: $10.85 million base salary. Total savings of $7.2 million.
• Ryan Ramczyk: $10.5 million base salary. Total savings of $8.4 million.
• Marshon Lattimore: $9.1 million base salary. Total savings of $7.3 million.
• Bradley Roby: $9.5 million base salary. Total savings of $7.1 million.
• Demario Davis: $7.5 million base salary. Total savings of $5 million.
• David Onyemata: $7.5 million base salary. Total savings of $3.8 million

Total savings from converting base salaries: $58,100,000

Not all of these moves are realistic or wise. Converting someone’s base salary essentially extends your commitment to that player and makes it harder to escape their deals in the future. So, New Orleans will have some decisions to make when moving forward. Roby, for example, is more likely to be released than restructured. His release would create $9.4 million in cap space.

The Saints will also almost certainly add some voidable years to Marcus Davenport’s fifth-year option and lower his $9 million cap hit down to something around $3 or 4 million. That clears at least another $5 million in cap space.

There is an extremely realistic path to clearing $80-90 million in cap space without cutting anyone or doing anything aggressive with the contracts.

The biggest issue this offseason won’t be the cap. It will be on how to handle safety Marcus Williams. The Saints could tag him again, which would cost 120% of the previous salary. New Orleans also has a big decision to make with Terron Armstead. The left tackle will count $12.29 million against the cap whether he is here or not since his deal was tinkered with to create cap space in previous seasons. Keeping him could delay those payments, but it would mean committing to the 30-year-old for a few more years.

There are some big decisions to make, and the cap situation is still complicated and messy, but the problems facing the Saints this upcoming offseason are much easier to answer than the ones from last year. New Orleans can retool, reload and keep this thing rolling if it wants to keep pushing money into the future.

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There sure is a path to getting it done, and Loomis has been a master of it. Still is an awful lot to do and clearing the 61 million still doesn’t leave a lot to spend on the QB position. That was my angle. I’d be surprised in a trade or signing that would add 20 mill or so is my point.

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Yeah, IDK if it will help much. Having Kamara, Ingram, and O line players out has really hurt Trevor. But he’s missed some throws as well. Hill should get a shot...provided he is healthy! I think that has been why he hasn’t been seen at all much less at QB.

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I did last week and it almost killed me. But, this week I work the next morning. So I'll be as sober as nun in church.

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Thanks, K! That matches exactly what I was saying about roster bonus conversions and base salary restructures. Both are methods that Loomis has built into contracts for years that can be leveraged into ever increasing cap limits. It is the most efficient use of the cap and a classic cost management accounting principle.

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From all the illegals coming through the "border" amirite?

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Imagine someone being fully vaxxed and still catching covid! Lolololololololololol!

What a f**king moron this clown continues to prove himself to be.

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Catching COVID and not getting sick. Who's the f**king moron, here? :rolleyes:

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Cowboys secondary has been suspect most of the season ... specifically #30 (4 pass int penalties vs Raiders). Diggs is streaky ... he'll either pick one off and take it to the house or give up a 50-yard bomb for 6.

Lamb & Amari Cooper (both superior route runners) return on Thursday and they also have legit #3 in Gallup.

Offensively, Dak can make most of the throws and a capable Pollard to run if Zeke sits. IMO Dallas is far more explosive than what we saw in Buffalo. Their first-rounder Parsons is a legit LB. He'll make plays for them.

Saints defense must apply pressure, disrupt timing, or Dak's throwing for 300+ yards & multiple touchdowns. He has weapons at WR.

Should be an interesting match-up.

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Taysom getting first team snaps in practice. That can't help but give the offense a boost. He can actually throw a ball downfield.

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But not too far downfield. There's a point where TH7's throws look like underthrown wounded ducks.

SFIAH

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Much further than Siemian's weak arm can handle. :D

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Cowboys' Trysten Hill suspended two games by NFL following postgame game fight on Thanksgiving

Cowboys defensive tackle Trysten Hill has been suspended by the NFL for two games after his part in an altercation involving himself and Raiders offensive lineman John Simpson following Las Vegas' Thanksgiving win over the Cowboys.

Hill is suspended without pay for violations of unnecessary roughness and unsportsmanlike conduct. The NFL deemed that Hill 's actions were a violation of Rule 12, Section 2, Article 14 which prohibits striking, swinging at, or clubbing the head, neck, or face of an opponent with the wrist(s), arm(s), elbow(s), or hand(s). The league also determined that Hill had violated Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1 which prohibits any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship.

During CBS' postgame coverage, cameras captured Hill swinging and knocking Simpson's helmet off of his head. A scuffle involving several players from both teams ensured shortly thereafter.

Hill, who under the league's Collective Bargaining Agreement can appeal his suspension, is eligible to return to the Cowboys' roster on Monday, Dec. 13. He will miss the Cowboys' upcoming games against the New Orleans Saints and the Washington Football Team.

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Saints are best as underdogs...

Plus Sean has a special place for Jerrah...

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Are the Dallas WRs back or are they still out? If they're still down their two WR and if Elliot can't play then maybe we have a shot.

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Lamb said he's planning on playing. Elliot has also said he's planning on playing through the pain. Cooper has not yet been cleared from COVID protocol, but was in the building yesterday.

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Lamb, Amari and Gallup are healthy and will play on Thursday.

They also have a #4 in Cedric Wilson that makes plays and gets open.

Nothing has been updated on Zeke but Pollard has been solid as RB and is also a good kick off returner. Honestly I’d rather face Zeke than Pollard.

Saints defense will have their hands full.

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Cooper has not yet been cleared and missed practice again yesterday.

Cowboys New Updates

Nov. 29 Updates

Amari Cooper
#19 WR

Height: 6-1
Weight: 210 lbs
College: Alabama

4:06 p.m. - Despite missing two games with Covid-19 protocols, Amari Cooper was not on the practice field Monday as the team prepped for the Saints.

Cooper was in the building at the Cowboys headquarter at The Star, but has not been removed from the Reserved/Covid list, which is why his status was not included on the team's official injury report.

Cooper has missed both the Chiefs and Raiders games after being placed on the reserved list. The Cowboys will have one more practice before departing for New Orleans on Wednesday and there still is a chance Cooper could return to the active roster and play Thursday.