Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets

jeanpierre · 12-13-2021, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us.

We can't beat ourselves by trying to outsmart ourselves...

TheOak · 12-13-2021, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We can't beat ourselves by trying to outsmart ourselves...

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us.

I am sooooo confused after reading these two comments.

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2021, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us.

I'm pretty confident there's not a team in the NFL that is truly tanking. That is purely a fan concept. There are jobs and careers on the line with all 32 teams for everyone from the GM down through the last player on the practice squad. That includes every coach from head coach down through quality control assistants. I have heard this explained time and time again by former and active players, coaches, and GM's.

Here's a good article from 2014 that echoes this philosophy.

Why NFL Teams Don't Tank for a Better Draft Position

There are many others out there, as well.

Here's one by the former player, Geoff Schwartz.

Ask a former NFL player: Is tanking for a draft pick a myth or reality?

neugey · 12-13-2021, 10:39 AM

Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now.

Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic.

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2021, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now.

Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic.

Yeah. Playing developmental players and evaluation at the end of a season is not tanking (ie. intentionally trying to lose for a draft pick). Every player and coach are doing the very best they can to win every game, and quite often they do to their disillusioned fans' chagrin.

iceshack149 · 12-13-2021, 11:19 AM

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iceshack149 · 12-13-2021, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

If we could just get healthy. No one would want us in playoffs.

I'm not sure that I want to see us in the playoffs!

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2021, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I'm not sure that I want to see us in the playoffs!

Why not?

Rugby Saint II · 12-13-2021, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why not?

I try to avoid being embarrassed. Unfortunately, this just isn't our year.

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2021, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I try to avoid being embarrassed. Unfortunately, this just isn't our year.

It's not over yet. And I never get embarrassed by my Saints. There's nothing shameful about being decimated by injuries. Had we gone through the season unscathed we'd easily have the best record in the NFL right now.

12-13-2021, 12:47 AM	#21
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by BakoSaint If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us. We can't beat ourselves by trying to outsmart ourselves... SmashMouth and Rell&Gold like this.

12-13-2021, 05:53 AM	#22
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by jeanpierre We can't beat ourselves by trying to outsmart ourselves... Originally Posted by BakoSaint If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us. I am sooooo confused after reading these two comments. AsylumGuido and K Major like this.

12-13-2021, 10:03 AM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by BakoSaint If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us. I'm pretty confident there's not a team in the NFL that is truly tanking. That is purely a fan concept. There are jobs and careers on the line with all 32 teams for everyone from the GM down through the last player on the practice squad. That includes every coach from head coach down through quality control assistants. I have heard this explained time and time again by former and active players, coaches, and GM's. Here's a good article from 2014 that echoes this philosophy. Why NFL Teams Don't Tank for a Better Draft Position There are many others out there, as well. Here's one by the former player, Geoff Schwartz. Ask a former NFL player: Is tanking for a draft pick a myth or reality? Rugby Saint II likes this.
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12-13-2021, 10:39 AM	#24
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,606 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now. Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic.

12-13-2021, 10:55 AM	#25
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by neugey Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now. Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic. Yeah. Playing developmental players and evaluation at the end of a season is not tanking (ie. intentionally trying to lose for a draft pick). Every player and coach are doing the very best they can to win every game, and quite often they do to their disillusioned fans' chagrin.

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12-13-2021, 11:19 AM	#26
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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,095 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by Thirty3 If we could just get healthy. No one would want us in playoffs. I'm not sure that I want to see us in the playoffs! Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by iceshack149 I'm not sure that I want to see us in the playoffs! Why not?

12-13-2021, 01:39 PM	#29
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why not? I try to avoid being embarrassed. Unfortunately, this just isn't our year. jnormand and Rell&Gold like this.

12-13-2021, 01:47 PM	#30
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I try to avoid being embarrassed. Unfortunately, this just isn't our year. It's not over yet. And I never get embarrassed by my Saints. There's nothing shameful about being decimated by injuries. Had we gone through the season unscathed we'd easily have the best record in the NFL right now. Rell&Gold likes this.