Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2021, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us.

I'm pretty confident there's not a team in the NFL that is truly tanking. That is purely a fan concept. There are jobs and careers on the line with all 32 teams for everyone from the GM down through the last player on the practice squad. That includes every coach from head coach down through quality control assistants. I have heard this explained time and time again by former and active players, coaches, and GM's.

Here's a good article from 2014 that echoes this philosophy.

Why NFL Teams Don't Tank for a Better Draft Position

There are many others out there, as well.

Here's one by the former player, Geoff Schwartz.

Ask a former NFL player: Is tanking for a draft pick a myth or reality?

neugey · 12-13-2021, 10:39 AM

Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now.

Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic.

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2021, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now.

Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic.

Yeah. Playing developmental players and evaluation at the end of a season is not tanking (ie. intentionally trying to lose for a draft pick). Every player and coach are doing the very best they can to win every game, and quite often they do to their disillusioned fans' chagrin.

mapcow · 12-14-2021, 08:38 AM

Wow The SAINTS actually won!!! This is the turning point. We are Super Bowl Bound!!!! Taysom got this, Without Thomas too.

jeanpierre · 12-14-2021, 10:09 AM

Biggest GM/Personnel question for the Saints going into this offseason will be whether to keep/extend Cam or extend Davenport and trust he will become more durable...

Davenport had a helluva game vs the Jets; when healthy, he's had some great games all season...

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2021, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Biggest GM/Personnel question for the Saints going into this offseason will be whether to keep/extend Cam or extend Davenport and trust he will become more durable...

Davenport had a helluva game vs the Jets; when healthy, he's had some great games all season...

Jordan is a rarity as an offensive lineman. I would venture to guess that 4 in 5 starting offensive lineman in the league have missed time this season due to injury. Quite possibly more. The fact that he has missed no actual games in his entire career due to injury is amazing. The most often injured players by position in the NFL are center, then offensive guard, and then offensive end. Running back is fourth.

12-13-2021, 10:03 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,569	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by BakoSaint If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us. I'm pretty confident there's not a team in the NFL that is truly tanking. That is purely a fan concept. There are jobs and careers on the line with all 32 teams for everyone from the GM down through the last player on the practice squad. That includes every coach from head coach down through quality control assistants. I have heard this explained time and time again by former and active players, coaches, and GM's. Here's a good article from 2014 that echoes this philosophy. Why NFL Teams Don't Tank for a Better Draft Position There are many others out there, as well. Here's one by the former player, Geoff Schwartz. Ask a former NFL player: Is tanking for a draft pick a myth or reality? Rugby Saint II likes this.
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12-13-2021, 10:39 AM	#2
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,834 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now. Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic.

12-13-2021, 10:55 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,569	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by neugey Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now. Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic. Yeah. Playing developmental players and evaluation at the end of a season is not tanking (ie. intentionally trying to lose for a draft pick). Every player and coach are doing the very best they can to win every game, and quite often they do to their disillusioned fans' chagrin.

12-14-2021, 08:38 AM	#4
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,818	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Wow The SAINTS actually won!!! This is the turning point. We are Super Bowl Bound!!!! Taysom got this, Without Thomas too.
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12-14-2021, 10:09 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Biggest GM/Personnel question for the Saints going into this offseason will be whether to keep/extend Cam or extend Davenport and trust he will become more durable... Davenport had a helluva game vs the Jets; when healthy, he's had some great games all season... iceshack149 and Rugby Saint II like this.

12-14-2021, 11:05 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,569	Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets Originally Posted by jeanpierre Biggest GM/Personnel question for the Saints going into this offseason will be whether to keep/extend Cam or extend Davenport and trust he will become more durable... Davenport had a helluva game vs the Jets; when healthy, he's had some great games all season... Jordan is a rarity as an offensive lineman. I would venture to guess that 4 in 5 starting offensive lineman in the league have missed time this season due to injury. Quite possibly more. The fact that he has missed no actual games in his entire career due to injury is amazing. The most often injured players by position in the NFL are center, then offensive guard, and then offensive end. Running back is fourth.