The Book Chapter Begins

12-28-2021, 07:31 PM

This loss was on the league, whatever their motivations, for not rescheduling the game, not Book.

For all the NFL League Office rhetoric of player safety, that got Book wuerffeled last night...

We're starting offensive linemen that are first set of cuts players against some ProBowlers, not Book's fault...

That said, stand behind my scouting and Ian Book simply is not an NFL QB...

If you read nothing else - and for those that have gotten to know me, hope I'm wrong (re: Book) for your Saints fandomness and the team...

AsylumGuido · 12-28-2021, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This loss was on the league, whatever their motivations, for not rescheduling the game, not Book.

For all the NFL League Office rhetoric of player safety, that got Book wuerffeled last night...

We're starting offensive linemen that are first set of cuts players against some ProBowlers, not Book's fault...

That said, stand behind my scouting and Ian Book simply is not an NFL QB...

If you read nothing else - and for those that have gotten to know me, hope I'm wrong for your Saints fandomness and the team...

I agree with everything you said except for the part about rescheduling the game. How would that even be possible? Waiting a day or two wouldn't guarantee allowing many, if any, players to return and would throw the next week's scheduling into a problem. Just wondering what you thought.

We were basically screwed because it was a Monday game.

Thirty3 · 12-29-2021, 02:54 PM

I haven't seen the whole game yet...just saw till the saints went up 3. Also haven't read all of the comments on this thread. Yet one observation: Book completed 60% of his passes under such duress. Winston on the other hand only managed 58.something.

K Major · 12-29-2021, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

I haven't seen the whole game yet...just saw till the saints went up 3. Also haven't read all of the comments on this thread. Yet one observation: Book completed 60% of his passes under such duress. Winston on the other hand only managed 58.something.

Thirty,

Why are you comparing a rookie, first game ever as a pro vs Winston? I noticed you also brought up stats with terrible Terrible Trevor a few weeks back vs Winston as well. Why?

Do you really believe either are better at QB than Jameis

?

AsylumGuido · 12-29-2021, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

I haven't seen the whole game yet...just saw till the saints went up 3. Also haven't read all of the comments on this thread. Yet one observation: Book completed 60% of his passes under such duress. Winston on the other hand only managed 58.something.

Winston's completion percentage was an even 59% with an average depth of target at 8.3 yards. Book completed an even 60% with an average depth of target only 3.8 yards. Most of his targets were actually under three yards. He should have had a good completion percentage.

saintfan · 12-29-2021, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Winston's completion percentage was an even 59% with an average depth of target at 8.3 yards. Book completed an even 60% with an average depth of target only 3.8 yards. Most of his targets were actually under three yards. He should have had a good completion percentage.

What kind of line was Jameis playing behind? How about his WR through those games?

You're an idiot. Nothing can be gleaned from Book's game. He was playing with guys getting fitted for their uniform a few days before the game...he didn't even have the JV team on the field with him.

halloween 65 · 12-29-2021, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

What kind of line was Jameis playing behind? How about his WR through those games?

You're an idiot. Nothing can be gleaned from Book's game. He was playing with guys getting fitted for their uniform a few days before the game...he didn't even have the JV team on the field with him.

Yeah, no comparison. Winston had it made compared to Books rag tag O-line. Book got a taste of Archie days!!

BakoSaint · 12-29-2021, 09:29 PM

We cant evaluate Book from this game, but we can evaluate the overall odds of an unheralded mid round draft pick who doesnt seem to amaze in practice or preseason becoming a superstar, and it happens, but the odds are low.

I feel that Winstons strong arm and touch on deep passes provided an extra dimension to the offense that opened up the running game. I dont think our other qbs do that. Hill provides an extra dimension running, but running qbs are forever injury prone. Winston would provide even more of a deep threat if we had legit receivers.

lee909 · 12-29-2021, 11:49 PM

Book showed a few nice things and alot of rookie issues.
Not far to judge him on that night at all.

I thought he was far quicker to read and react that Hill often is. The few longer passes he attempted looked like they had far more zip on them. Amd if he felt the protection go he went, now that's not always a good thing and he needs to learn just get rid of the ball but he wasn't the deer in the headlights you see from many young QB. I think he reluctance to throw the ball away was probably due to the pick 6 and being worried about the ball being tipped again.
If the playoffs were impossible I'd like to see him start again, not sure they will with a possible wild card spot still there.

AsylumGuido · 12-30-2021, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Yeah, no comparison. Winston had it made compared to Books rag tag O-line. Book got a taste of Archie days!!

Yes. That's the point I was trying to make. Thirty3 was comparing a Winston completion percentage stat to a Book completion percentage stat. The circumstances are apples to oranges. Book had no time to look down field and had to dump the ball of all night long. That's why I included the depth of target numbers. Of course you'd better have a high completion percentage dumping the ball off. That's common sense, right?

12-28-2021, 07:31 PM	#61
Threaded by jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39 Rating: (0 votes - average) This loss was on the league, whatever their motivations, for not rescheduling the game, not Book. For all the NFL League Office rhetoric of player safety, that got Book wuerffeled last night... We're starting offensive linemen that are first set of cuts players against some ProBowlers, not Book's fault... That said, stand behind my scouting and Ian Book simply is not an NFL QB... If you read nothing else - and for those that have gotten to know me, hope I'm wrong (re: Book) for your Saints fandomness and the team... jnormand, Rsanders24, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this. Last edited by jeanpierre; 12-29-2021 at 07:39 AM..
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12-28-2021, 07:51 PM	#62
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: The Book Chapter Begins Originally Posted by jeanpierre This loss was on the league, whatever their motivations, for not rescheduling the game, not Book. For all the NFL League Office rhetoric of player safety, that got Book wuerffeled last night... We're starting offensive linemen that are first set of cuts players against some ProBowlers, not Book's fault... That said, stand behind my scouting and Ian Book simply is not an NFL QB... If you read nothing else - and for those that have gotten to know me, hope I'm wrong for your Saints fandomness and the team... I agree with everything you said except for the part about rescheduling the game. How would that even be possible? Waiting a day or two wouldn't guarantee allowing many, if any, players to return and would throw the next week's scheduling into a problem. Just wondering what you thought. We were basically screwed because it was a Monday game.

12-29-2021, 02:54 PM	#63
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: The Book Chapter Begins I haven't seen the whole game yet...just saw till the saints went up 3. Also haven't read all of the comments on this thread. Yet one observation: Book completed 60% of his passes under such duress. Winston on the other hand only managed 58.something.
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12-29-2021, 03:18 PM	#64
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Book Chapter Begins Originally Posted by Thirty3 I haven't seen the whole game yet...just saw till the saints went up 3. Also haven't read all of the comments on this thread. Yet one observation: Book completed 60% of his passes under such duress. Winston on the other hand only managed 58.something. Thirty, Why are you comparing a rookie, first game ever as a pro vs Winston? I noticed you also brought up stats with terrible Terrible Trevor a few weeks back vs Winston as well. Why? Do you really believe either are better at QB than Jameis ?

12-29-2021, 04:30 PM	#65
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: The Book Chapter Begins Originally Posted by Thirty3 I haven't seen the whole game yet...just saw till the saints went up 3. Also haven't read all of the comments on this thread. Yet one observation: Book completed 60% of his passes under such duress. Winston on the other hand only managed 58.something. Winston's completion percentage was an even 59% with an average depth of target at 8.3 yards. Book completed an even 60% with an average depth of target only 3.8 yards. Most of his targets were actually under three yards. He should have had a good completion percentage.

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12-29-2021, 05:10 PM	#66
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Book Chapter Begins Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Winston's completion percentage was an even 59% with an average depth of target at 8.3 yards. Book completed an even 60% with an average depth of target only 3.8 yards. Most of his targets were actually under three yards. He should have had a good completion percentage. What kind of line was Jameis playing behind? How about his WR through those games? You're an idiot. Nothing can be gleaned from Book's game. He was playing with guys getting fitted for their uniform a few days before the game...he didn't even have the JV team on the field with him.

12-29-2021, 08:17 PM	#67
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: The Book Chapter Begins Originally Posted by saintfan What kind of line was Jameis playing behind? How about his WR through those games? You're an idiot. Nothing can be gleaned from Book's game. He was playing with guys getting fitted for their uniform a few days before the game...he didn't even have the JV team on the field with him. Yeah, no comparison. Winston had it made compared to Books rag tag O-line. Book got a taste of Archie days!! saintfan and jnormand like this.

12-29-2021, 09:29 PM	#68
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: The Book Chapter Begins We cant evaluate Book from this game, but we can evaluate the overall odds of an unheralded mid round draft pick who doesnt seem to amaze in practice or preseason becoming a superstar, and it happens, but the odds are low. I feel that Winstons strong arm and touch on deep passes provided an extra dimension to the offense that opened up the running game. I dont think our other qbs do that. Hill provides an extra dimension running, but running qbs are forever injury prone. Winston would provide even more of a deep threat if we had legit receivers. saintfan and K Major like this.
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12-29-2021, 11:49 PM	#69
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The Book Chapter Begins Book showed a few nice things and alot of rookie issues. Not far to judge him on that night at all. I thought he was far quicker to read and react that Hill often is. The few longer passes he attempted looked like they had far more zip on them. Amd if he felt the protection go he went, now that's not always a good thing and he needs to learn just get rid of the ball but he wasn't the deer in the headlights you see from many young QB. I think he reluctance to throw the ball away was probably due to the pick 6 and being worried about the ball being tipped again. If the playoffs were impossible I'd like to see him start again, not sure they will with a possible wild card spot still there.
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12-30-2021, 08:54 AM	#70
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: The Book Chapter Begins Originally Posted by halloween 65 Yeah, no comparison. Winston had it made compared to Books rag tag O-line. Book got a taste of Archie days!! Yes. That's the point I was trying to make. Thirty3 was comparing a Winston completion percentage stat to a Book completion percentage stat. The circumstances are apples to oranges. Book had no time to look down field and had to dump the ball of all night long. That's why I included the depth of target numbers. Of course you'd better have a high completion percentage dumping the ball off. That's common sense, right?