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WW_Who_Dat 01-10-2022 11:26 AM
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UK_WhoDat 01-10-2022 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 941394)
Just when Taysom was starting to look real good for a minute... Defense was on fire for a minute... Rams were up for a minute or a half... Oh well, freaking season needs to not let the door hit it in the azz
It was some minute though.

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 941411)
Me too, he did not recover easily from his last concussion.
If only it had been concussion this time.

RailBoss 01-10-2022 12:18 PM
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Seriously it's gotta be the Rams...

and Nickell Earl Robey-Coleman plays for the Lions so he lives the curse everyday.

BakoSaint 01-10-2022 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 941498)
What drove our 9-8 season was suspensions displacement COVID and injuries to every unit of this team … not gutting and pushing money down the road. We made some hard choices but we did not gut this team last offseason. Nor did pushing money down the road. Kinda like many companies that work and budget on projects cash flow. Let be realistic and acknowledge that it would have been very hard for any team to have played any better than the Saints did this year with the extent of injury to starters and rotational players.
So being the most over the cap, 62 million, when the next to closest teams and 40 and 13 million over and won their divisions despite themselves having many covid and injury issues, positions us well to improve against teams that have more resources and are already better? And we didnt gut the roster? So our depth at receiver is great? Injuries are not luck, they are made, and our tendency to extend injured players in order to push cap hits down the road and create an excuse not to cut them (we cant because we just signed a deal that makes cutting them cost 50 million) just means we guarantee more ‘bad luck’ in the future.

My top move this offseason would be to cut Michael Thomas post-june-1 and save $16 million. My dream would be to see him on the sideline in a falcons uniform next year fighting calvin ridley and posting cryptic tweets.

Boston Saint 01-10-2022 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 941522)
So being the most over the cap, 62 million, when the next to closest teams and 40 and 13 million over and won their divisions despite themselves having many covid and injury issues, positions us well to improve against teams that have more resources and are already better? And we didnt gut the roster? So our depth at receiver is great? Injuries are not luck, they are made, and our tendency to extend injured players in order to push cap hits down the road and create an excuse not to cut them (we cant because we just signed a deal that makes cutting them cost 50 million) just means we guarantee more ‘bad luck’ in the future.

My top move this offseason would be to cut Michael Thomas post-june-1 and save $16 million. My dream would be to see him on the sideline in a falcons uniform next year fighting calvin ridley and posting cryptic tweets.
Some of your points are valid Bako. But, judging from this and other posts of yours, you seem to hold the saints front office to blame ,so to speak, for doing what it takes in winning the division multiple years in a row, having multiple double digit winning season, and coming very close to a second SB. Kinda reminds of of something my Pop said yesterday, “I’m disappointed that Payton wasn’t more prepared at the QB position”. The expectation that he had about how the Saints should have 4 good QBs on the team was mind boggling to me. You are doing a bit of that yourself IMO.

saintfan 01-10-2022 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 941524)
Some of your points are valid Bako. But, judging from this and other posts of yours, you seem to hold the saints front office to blame ,so to speak, for doing what it takes in winning the division multiple years in a row, having multiple double digit winning season, and coming very close to a second SB. Kinda reminds of of something my Pop said yesterday, “I’m disappointed that Payton wasn’t more prepared at the QB position”. The expectation that he had about how the Saints should have 4 good QBs on the team was mind boggling to me. You are doing a bit of that yourself IMO.
I think we made the wrong call at QB. As a 'running' team, which is clearly what Coach had in mind, Hill would be the better choice.

Personally, I think Coach was bout the take the cuffs off Jameis and open things up a little bit, and I think the delay was largely due to the fact that through our first 7 games nobody stepped up at the WR position in any meaningful way - we were just plain bad as a passing offense regardless of who was under center. As we know, our overrated line got Jameis killed, and the rest is history.

Hard to 'blame' anyone really. Life after Drew was not going to be easy, but to misjudge our WR room so grossly is where I'm scratching my head. The only thing I can conclude is that coach new we were deficient there but had no choice but to try and sell it.

Best coaching I've ever seen really. Next season will be another exciting one. One thing is for sure: We need playmakers on offense, and if we don't get one we are going to get Kamara killed.

AsylumGuido 01-10-2022 02:45 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs FailClowns
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 941522)
So being the most over the cap, 62 million, when the next to closest teams and 40 and 13 million over and won their divisions despite themselves having many covid and injury issues, positions us well to improve against teams that have more resources and are already better? And we didnt gut the roster? So our depth at receiver is great? Injuries are not luck, they are made, and our tendency to extend injured players in order to push cap hits down the road and create an excuse not to cut them (we cant because we just signed a deal that makes cutting them cost 50 million) just means we guarantee more ‘bad luck’ in the future.

My top move this offseason would be to cut Michael Thomas post-june-1 and save $16 million. My dream would be to see him on the sideline in a falcons uniform next year fighting calvin ridley and posting cryptic tweets.
Glad you're not making moves!

:D

halloween 65 01-10-2022 03:01 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs FailClowns
 
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 941526)
I think we made the wrong call at QB. As a 'running' team, which is clearly what Coach had in mind, Hill would be the better choice.

Personally, I think Coach was bout the take the cuffs off Jameis and open things up a little bit, and I think the delay was largely due to the fact that through our first 7 games nobody stepped up at the WR position in any meaningful way - we were just plain bad as a passing offense regardless of who was under center. As we know, our overrated line got Jameis killed, and the rest is history.

Hard to 'blame' anyone really. Life after Drew was not going to be easy, but to misjudge our WR room so grossly is where I'm scratching my head. The only thing I can conclude is that coach new we were deficient there but had no choice but to try and sell it.

Best coaching I've ever seen really. Next season will be another exciting one. One thing is for sure: We need playmakers on offense, and if we don't get one we are going to get Kamara killed.
A bad a$$ TE would help alot. I think they figure out the wr in FA and draft after watching film on them, Coleman is a keeper but I also wouldn't mind seeing the o-line shored up. Maybe this draft Payton want double down on every pick, we'll need all of them.

Boston Saint 01-10-2022 03:01 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs FailClowns
 
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 941526)
I think we made the wrong call at QB. As a 'running' team, which is clearly what Coach had in mind, Hill would be the better choice.

Personally, I think Coach was bout the take the cuffs off Jameis and open things up a little bit, and I think the delay was largely due to the fact that through our first 7 games nobody stepped up at the WR position in any meaningful way - we were just plain bad as a passing offense regardless of who was under center. As we know, our overrated line got Jameis killed, and the rest is history.

Hard to 'blame' anyone really. Life after Drew was not going to be easy, but to misjudge our WR room so grossly is where I'm scratching my head. The only thing I can conclude is that coach new we were deficient there but had no choice but to try and sell it.

Best coaching I've ever seen really. Next season will be another exciting one. One thing is for sure: We need playmakers on offense, and if we don't get one we are going to get Kamara killed.
I don’t think Hill could have survived as a running QB. Nor could the stable of RBs held up as a featured running team- especially with the line injuries. I agree the Payton was handcuffing Winston. I think he would have had the team much more effective as a passer. Just my thoughts.

But Bako’s post focused on money and comparing the Saints to other teams as a way to press the idea the future is bleak. The cap situation is a factor of chasing the title with Brees’s last years. I don’t mind that. I’m not sure how much it hurt us. The only WR lost from last year is Emmanuel. That’s hardly gutting. In fact, I’d ask him to name the player that was on the roster last year that he would most like to have on the roster for this year to demonstrate the gutting he is referring to.

halloween 65 01-10-2022 03:04 PM
Re: Observations from the Saints win vs FailClowns
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 941522)
So being the most over the cap, 62 million, when the next to closest teams and 40 and 13 million over and won their divisions despite themselves having many covid and injury issues, positions us well to improve against teams that have more resources and are already better? And we didnt gut the roster? So our depth at receiver is great? Injuries are not luck, they are made, and our tendency to extend injured players in order to push cap hits down the road and create an excuse not to cut them (we cant because we just signed a deal that makes cutting them cost 50 million) just means we guarantee more ‘bad luck’ in the future.

My top move this offseason would be to cut Michael Thomas post-june-1 and save $16 million. My dream would be to see him on the sideline in a falcons uniform next year fighting calvin ridley and posting cryptic tweets.
If anything a trade for picks. They eat the contract.


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