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AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942162)
This is true. The money is a factor.
From what I've read and heard, based upon his coming off the injury, Winston's price tag would fall around $10 million for a one year prove it deal. Wilson would be four times that annually ... at least.

SaintGnome 01-18-2022 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942158)
Both of y’all block him and let’s get back to business.

I say we roll with Jameis Winston. If we can get Russell Wilson I’ll take that too, but I’d feel really bad shipping Winston out after such a successful start and a ****ty injury. I’m concerned for the effect it would have on the locker room. It just wreaks of race horse treatment to cut ties now.
I've said everything I have to say on that topic.

As far as Winston he's earned another chance to start IMO but he's not under contract with us for next year yet is he? Somebody could out bid us, right?

AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 942164)
I've said everything I have to say on that topic.

As far as Winston he's earned another chance to start IMO but he's not under contract with us for next year yet is he? Somebody could out bid us, right?
No. He's a free agent. Could someone outbid us? Sure. They could have last year as well, but he chose to re-sign with the Saints on that one year incentive laden deal. From all indications he'd be willing to do it again at $10 million, almost twice what he inked for last season at the contract base.

rezburna 01-18-2022 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 942164)
I've said everything I have to say on that topic.

As far as Winston he's earned another chance to start IMO but he's not under contract with us for next year yet is he? Somebody could out bid us, right?
Somebody could definitely throw the bag at him if they want him bad enough. Pittsburgh would be a great place for him. I’d do 2 years, $20 million guaranteed with the possibility of earning upwards of $50 million via incentives. That leaves him with the chance to make $25 a year which is about right for a starting QB.

AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 12:01 PM
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SaintGnome 01-18-2022 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942167)
Somebody could definitely throw the bag at him if they want him bad enough. Pittsburgh would be a great place for him. I’d do 2 years, $20 million guaranteed with the possibility of earning upwards of $50 million via incentives. That leaves him with the chance to make $25 a year which is about right for a starting QB.
I was thinking if I was the new coach for the Jags (especially if I'm Leftwich) I wouldn't go in without a plan B in case that QB really does suck. They would definitely be able to out bid us.

rezburna 01-18-2022 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 942176)
I was thinking if I was the new coach for the Jags (especially if I'm Leftwich) I wouldn't go in without a plan B in case that QB really does suck. They would definitely be able to out bid us.
I keep hearing Bill O’Brien being mentioned and I have no idea why.

AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942178)
I keep hearing Bill O’Brien being mentioned and I have no idea why.
That's coming straight from GM Trent Baalke according to something I read a couple of weeks ago.

Here we go. I found it:

Jaguars head coach search: Retaining GM Trent Baalke will hinder team's ability to attract top candidates

"Baalke has also recently been pushing Alabama offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien to ownership as a possible candidate. O'Brien earned accolades as a play-caller under Nick Saban and has previous experience as head coach in Houston. However, the bitter end to his time there, and his history of power struggles and personality clashes, won't likely do much to stem the tide of public sentiment in Jacksonville against the early stages of this hiring process."

saintsfan1976 01-18-2022 02:07 PM
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Sign Winston and I have to assume there would be more money to address critical positions.

Sign Wilson and I doubt that's the case.

AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 03:23 PM
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For those concerned about cap space here's Nick Underhill with a quick video explaining the simple concepts.

Saint in Aus 01-18-2022 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942149)
I’m not vehemently opposed to Carr, but the fact that the author said he’d easily be an upgrade over anybody on the roster is a huge stretch. Jameis Winston is a more talented QB than Derek Carr. Winston went #1 overall for a reason. He’s now in the best situation he’s ever been in. I don’t blame him for not being able to overcome a ****ty organization like the Bucs. Only a Tom Brady could change that around. He’s got stability here. We need to retain continuity. It’s not time to blow it up just yet.

Winston > Carr
We make the post season if Winston stays healthy this season and with the Rams and Niners making the Divisional Round, anything could have happened if we made it (particularly with our D).

BakoSaint 01-18-2022 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942186)
For those concerned about cap space here's Nick Underhill with a quick video explaining the simple concepts.

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...39454971334665
I think Nick Underhill is biased because he has a vested interest in the Saints offseason being an exciting story for him to earn a livelihood covering not a depressing compromise. Everything has not always been ok, this past year we went from winning our division with one of the best records in the league to missing the playoffs and having one of the weakest receiving cores in league history. Having to convert roster bonuses and salaries of guys like peat, hill, and thomas to signing bonuses is dangerous because we create situations where very injury prone very potentially ineffective players could play for almost free this year but go into future years with so much deferred money that we can’t afford to cut them no matter how bad they are, so we end up stuck letting players any other team would cut who make no contribution to the team playing out the their contract and cashing ever dollar. Peat could end making more money in 2023 forward than keeping Armstead would have cost. Hill could finish his contract with 8 games played in the next 3 years but more dead money than Brees. Michael Thomas could end up like Antonio Brown with the Raiders and get in a public fued with Payton and punch Lattimore and lose a toe in a cryo chamber but we cant cut him without a 50m cap hit. If we keep managing our cap this way we might even have to sign Peat and Hill to longer extensions to age 40 to spread out the cap hit. We need to maintain flexibility to be able to manage a sane roster and i just dont see how deferring money on bad contracts helps that. Logic and reason and common sense say that leading the league in being over the cap with a non-playoff team is not a good thing.

hitta 01-19-2022 01:04 AM
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We could tank really hard, get Bryce Young and win a few Super Bowls. Bryce Young is going to be a better version of Russell Wilson.

saintsfan1976 01-19-2022 06:03 AM
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Indeed. Saints will (again) work the cap in a way that allows them to acquire levels of free agent talent. Don't need big splashes.

Shore up Marcus Williams. Solidify the O line. Add a playmaker at WR. Draft well.

AsylumGuido 01-19-2022 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 942203)
I think Nick Underhill is biased because he has a vested interest in the Saints offseason being an exciting story for him to earn a livelihood covering not a depressing compromise. Everything has not always been ok, this past year we went from winning our division with one of the best records in the league to missing the playoffs and having one of the weakest receiving cores in league history. Having to convert roster bonuses and salaries of guys like peat, hill, and thomas to signing bonuses is dangerous because we create situations where very injury prone very potentially ineffective players could play for almost free this year but go into future years with so much deferred money that we can’t afford to cut them no matter how bad they are, so we end up stuck letting players any other team would cut who make no contribution to the team playing out the their contract and cashing ever dollar. Peat could end making more money in 2023 forward than keeping Armstead would have cost. Hill could finish his contract with 8 games played in the next 3 years but more dead money than Brees. Michael Thomas could end up like Antonio Brown with the Raiders and get in a public fued with Payton and punch Lattimore and lose a toe in a cryo chamber but we cant cut him without a 50m cap hit. If we keep managing our cap this way we might even have to sign Peat and Hill to longer extensions to age 40 to spread out the cap hit. We need to maintain flexibility to be able to manage a sane roster and i just dont see how deferring money on bad contracts helps that. Logic and reason and common sense say that leading the league in being over the cap with a non-playoff team is not a good thing.
It was only a non-playoff team due to an unprecedented number of key injuries. Do not ignore the NFL record 58 different starters on offense and defense throughout the season as a significant factor. And that doesn't count the different kickers used due to the preseason injury to our excellent kicker. His absence alone cost us a couple of wins ... which by the way would have easily placed us in the playoffs. And what about that little thing called Ida that displaced the team for the first month?

saintfan 01-19-2022 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942218)
It was only a non-playoff team due to an unprecedented number of key injuries. Do not ignore the NFL record 58 different starters on offense and defense throughout the season as a significant factor. And that doesn't count the different kickers used due to the preseason injury to our excellent kicker. His absence alone cost us a couple of wins ... which by the way would have easily placed us in the playoffs. And what about that little thing called Ida that displaced the team for the first month?
And yet the team was supposed to go 17-0 baby!, and you attacked that voice of reason at every turn.

Idiot

AsylumGuido 01-19-2022 04:26 PM
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saintsfan1976 01-19-2022 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 942203)
I think Nick Underhill is biased because he has a vested interest in the Saints offseason being an exciting story for him to earn a livelihood covering not a depressing compromise. Everything has not always been ok, this past year we went from winning our division with one of the best records in the league to missing the playoffs and having one of the weakest receiving cores in league history. Having to convert roster bonuses and salaries of guys like peat, hill, and thomas to signing bonuses is dangerous because we create situations where very injury prone very potentially ineffective players could play for almost free this year but go into future years with so much deferred money that we can’t afford to cut them no matter how bad they are, so we end up stuck letting players any other team would cut who make no contribution to the team playing out the their contract and cashing ever dollar. Peat could end making more money in 2023 forward than keeping Armstead would have cost. Hill could finish his contract with 8 games played in the next 3 years but more dead money than Brees. Michael Thomas could end up like Antonio Brown with the Raiders and get in a public fued with Payton and punch Lattimore and lose a toe in a cryo chamber but we cant cut him without a 50m cap hit. If we keep managing our cap this way we might even have to sign Peat and Hill to longer extensions to age 40 to spread out the cap hit. We need to maintain flexibility to be able to manage a sane roster and i just dont see how deferring money on bad contracts helps that. Logic and reason and common sense say that leading the league in being over the cap with a non-playoff team is not a good thing.
Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business.

You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants.

Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON.

My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend.

Rugby Saint II 01-20-2022 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 942268)
Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business.

You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants.

Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON.

My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend.
As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair? :roll:

Rugby Saint II 01-20-2022 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 942268)
Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business.

You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants.

Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON.

My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend.
As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair to the rest of the NFL? :roll:

AsylumGuido 01-20-2022 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 942335)
As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair? :roll:
Yup. It was an attempt to do a sign and trade for Jadeveon Clowney in 2020.

The NFL nixed the New Orleans Saints sign-and-trade for Jadeveon Clowney

“The sides discussed parameters of a deal in which Team X would’ve signed Clowney to a one-year, $15 million contract and paid him a $5 million signing bonus. Then, Team X would’ve immediately traded Clowney to the Saints, who would’ve sent Team X a second-round draft pick, as well as a player to take additional salary off New Orleans’ books. The Saints would’ve paid Clowney’s remaining $10 million salary.

“Just one problem: The teams got word late Saturday the NFL was unlikely to approve such a deal,” they continued.

The Browns were the team that the two mentioned in the article as “Team X” but they noted that wasn’t confirmed. It’s rather unprecedented to sign a free agent only to immediately trade them, one reason the NFL may have not wanted the trade to go through.

ChrisXVI 01-21-2022 06:03 AM
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The Bears already interviewed Jeff Ireland for the GM job. I have to imagine Ireland said he would want Dennis Allen as his head coach. Are we about to lose both to Chicago?

saintsfan1976 01-21-2022 06:45 AM
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Kris Richard.
Brian Flores.
Mike Zimmer.

Love Dennis and what he accomplished here but we'll be fine.

AsylumGuido 01-21-2022 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 942374)
https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...65491590221827

The Bears already interviewed Jeff Ireland for the GM job. I have to imagine Ireland said he would want Dennis Allen as his head coach. Are we about to lose both to Chicago?
Maybe not.

AsylumGuido 01-21-2022 09:23 AM
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AsylumGuido 01-22-2022 01:34 PM
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Winston is the best option for the Saints for several reasons that won't cripple the team's future. Giving up draft picks for another veteran could work for New Orleans and create coming issues.

Zimmer (Head Coach) and Spielman (GM) are gone in Minneapolis. There have been rumors of Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins showing interest in the Saints - largely because of Sean Payton. Although his contract would need major tweaking, so would Wilson's.

Winston is making tremendous progress in rehabilitating his damaged knee. The workout videos with sports physical therapist Kevin Wilk are encouraging.

Jameis is a competitor and an incredible teammate. His past is the past. People were hoping for the 30-30 Winston of 2019 to return, even though it didn't. It may be time for Saints fans and critics to rest the Jameis Winston negativity.

An NFL team looking at the free agency market will be disappointed this offseason.

Only the NOLA native Peyton Manning has thrown for more yards in his first five seasons. Not Marino, Mahomes, or Luck, not even Wilson, can make this claim. And for all of those calling him a "turnover machine." Peyton Manning had 100 interceptions to Winston's 88.

He still can have you on the edge of your seat at times. The lack of consistency in the Saints' wideouts contributed to some of his erratic play — but not all.

Jameis' career isn't finished. Most likely, it's not over in New Orleans. It was a small sampling. But was it enough for Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis to turn elsewhere in 2022?

We shall see.

Much more here ...

AsylumGuido 01-24-2022 12:27 PM
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Kicker carousel, new punter: After eventful 2021, what's next for Saints special teams?

BY AMIE JUST | STAFF WRITER JAN 24, 2022 - 5:00 AM

The New Orleans Saints' specialists had an eventful 2021, as the team had a new starting punter and cycled through five kickers from training camp's opening day to the season finale.

Here is a look at who is and is not under contract for the 2022 season, a quick look back at what transpired in 2021 and a view into the future of what the positions might hold.

The players

Under contract: Wil Lutz, Blake Gillikin, Zach Wood
Free agents: Deonte Harty (formerly Harris), Brett Maher

What happened

Before the season began, the Saints made a painful move: releasing longtime punter Thomas Morstead in a salary cap decision. That opened the door for Blake Gillikin to take the reins. And in his first season as the Saints' starting punter, he flourished.

He averaged 47.7 yards per punt, good enough for seventh among all NFL punters. Of his 83 punts in 2021, 29 of them landed inside the 20-yard line. Gillikin earned the NFC's special teams player of the month award for October, averaging 49.6 yards per punt in those four contests. Against Washington that month, he was the first punter since 2000 to have three punts of 50-plus yards be downed inside the 5-yard line, according to ESPN Stats and Info.

Read the rest here ...


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