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AsylumGuido 01-13-2022 11:00 AM
2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 

AsylumGuido 01-13-2022 11:03 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
METAIRIE, La. – Last year, the New Orleans Saints faced one of the most daunting offseasons in franchise history – needing to replace quarterback Drew Brees and shave $111 million in salary-cap space.

Their response? They remained all-in to try and win another Super Bowl, re-signing most of their vital players and even trying to trade up nearly 20 spots in the draft for a cornerback.

So we should expect no different as the Saints head into another challenging offseason, when they once again need to identify their next QB while clearing around $70 million in cap space.

Eventually, New Orleans might have to entertain the idea of rebuilding, considering that current pillars like defensive end Cameron Jordan, linebacker Demario Davis, safety Malcolm Jenkins and free-agent left tackle Terron Armstead are in their 30s.

But from what we know about general manager Mickey Loomis, coach Sean Payton and executives like Khai Harley and Jeff Ireland, they won’t do that at the expense of staying aggressive and competitive.

Could that include a trade for a big-name quarterback? Or bringing back quarterbacks Jameis Winston or Teddy Bridgewater? Keeping receiver Michael Thomas? Re-signing free agents Armstead and Marcus Williams? Adding a desperately needed pass-catcher? All of those ideas could be on the table.

Here’s a look at their most difficult decisions:

How will Saints get under the cap?

We have to start here, in case people who haven’t followed the Saints’ cap management are wondering how they could even entertain the idea of trading for someone like Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers or Jimmy Garoppolo.

The Saints are projected to be about $70 million over the NFL's expected salary cap of $208.2 million per team, based on ESPN Stats and Information research (depending on carryover amounts from 2021).

However, the Saints can “easily” create more than $100 million in space without cutting a single player by converting base salaries and roster bonuses into signing bonuses and spreading cap charges into future years.

For example, right tackle Ryan Ramczyk is scheduled to receive $19 million in combined salary and roster bonus in 2022, all of which will count against the 2022 cap. If the Saints convert that to a $1 million salary and $18 million signing bonus, they can divide the $18 million over the final five years of his contract ($3.6 million per year). That would save them $14.4 million in 2022 cap space. For players who don't have long-term contracts, the Saints can add years to the end of their deals that will automatically void.

Of course there is a downside to this practice, which New Orleans has used frequently over the past decade – it adds hefty cap charges into future years. And the Saints were burned badly for it when the NFL’s salary cap unexpectedly plummeted in 2021 because of lost revenues from the COVID-19 pandemic.

But the Saints typically have no problem pushing cap costs into future years when they expect the NFL’s cap to keep rising.

The Saints could save even more cap space if they decide to release or trade players. Thomas is one potential trade candidate (more on him later). They'll also have a decision to make with cornerback Bradley Roby, who is due $10 million. But the Saints don’t have many obvious candidates to be released.

Who will play quarterback?

Even if money was no object, it’s still immensely difficult to acquire a franchise quarterback.

The Saints could definitely have the desire to pursue a top option like Wilson or Rodgers via trade. And both are actually scheduled to make less than $30 million in salary and bonuses in 2022.

But the Saints’ biggest challenge would be making the best trade offer since they don’t pick until 18th in the draft. If the Seattle Seahawks and Green Bay Packers actually decide to trade their elite QBs, they could potentially get better offers from teams inside the top 10.

San Francisco 49ers QB Garoppolo is another potential trade candidate. So is the Houston Texans’ Deshaun Watson, though his situation is obviously complicated by off-field circumstances centered around 22 active lawsuits accusing him of sexual assault and inappropriate behavior during massage sessions.

It seems even more likely that the Saints will consider re-signing Winston, who was off to a promising 5-2 start in his first year as their starter before tearing his ACL in Week 8. Winston, who turned 28 last week, still offers the best combination of affordability and potential upside.

Or the Saints could consider bringing back another familiar free agent in Bridgewater, who went 5-0 as their replacement starter in 2019.

Drafting a quarterback would be ideal. But again, picking 18th hurts them, especially in a year when draft analysts aren't high on the position, at least for now.

What becomes of Michael Thomas?

Thomas could be a potential trade candidate, considering the Saints’ cap situation and the dissension between team and player over the past two years. But he could very likely stay – especially since New Orleans was so desperate for reliable pass-catchers while Thomas was out for the entire season with an ankle injury.

It seemed as though tensions had diffused between Thomas and the Saints by the preseason after both sides publicly displayed their frustration over how his ankle injury was handled. And Thomas was with the team, expecting to play in the second half of the season, before he suffered a setback in his recovery.

Thomas’ trade value is unclear, since he is coming off two injury-plagued seasons after being named the NFL’s Offensive Player of the Year in 2019. But his contract is relatively affordable.

He is due $15.8 million in salary and bonuses in 2022 (most of which is already guaranteed for injury). He is due another $16.45 million in 2023 and $19.7 million in 2024 that is not guaranteed.

Will Saints re-sign elite free agents?

Armstead’s lengthy injury history is a complicating factor (he missed nine games in 2021 and will likely require knee surgery this offseason after being relatively healthy in 2019 and 2020). But that could also make him more affordable, since he surely would have commanded something in the range of $20 million per year if healthy.

Williams, meanwhile, has established himself as one of the league’s top free safeties. And his value has only increased since the Saints used the franchise tag on him last year and were unable to reach a long-term extension. But keeping him should be a top priority since he is only 25.

Other notable Saints free agents include QBs Winston and Trevor Siemian, LB Kwon Alexander, WR Tre’Quan Smith and DB P.J. Williams.

saintfan 01-13-2022 11:18 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 941738)
METAIRIE, La. – Last year, the New Orleans Saints faced one of the most daunting offseasons in franchise history – needing to replace quarterback Drew Brees and shave $111 million in salary-cap space.

Their response? They remained all-in to try and win another Super Bowl, re-signing most of their vital players and even trying to trade up nearly 20 spots in the draft for a cornerback.

So we should expect no different as the Saints head into another challenging offseason, when they once again need to identify their next QB while clearing around $70 million in cap space.

Eventually, New Orleans might have to entertain the idea of rebuilding, considering that current pillars like defensive end Cameron Jordan, linebacker Demario Davis, safety Malcolm Jenkins and free-agent left tackle Terron Armstead are in their 30s.

But from what we know about general manager Mickey Loomis, coach Sean Payton and executives like Khai Harley and Jeff Ireland, they won’t do that at the expense of staying aggressive and competitive.

Could that include a trade for a big-name quarterback? Or bringing back quarterbacks Jameis Winston or Teddy Bridgewater? Keeping receiver Michael Thomas? Re-signing free agents Armstead and Marcus Williams? Adding a desperately needed pass-catcher? All of those ideas could be on the table.

Here’s a look at their most difficult decisions:

How will Saints get under the cap?

We have to start here, in case people who haven’t followed the Saints’ cap management are wondering how they could even entertain the idea of trading for someone like Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers or Jimmy Garoppolo.

The Saints are projected to be about $70 million over the NFL's expected salary cap of $208.2 million per team, based on ESPN Stats and Information research (depending on carryover amounts from 2021).

However, the Saints can “easily” create more than $100 million in space without cutting a single player by converting base salaries and roster bonuses into signing bonuses and spreading cap charges into future years.

For example, right tackle Ryan Ramczyk is scheduled to receive $19 million in combined salary and roster bonus in 2022, all of which will count against the 2022 cap. If the Saints convert that to a $1 million salary and $18 million signing bonus, they can divide the $18 million over the final five years of his contract ($3.6 million per year). That would save them $14.4 million in 2022 cap space. For players who don't have long-term contracts, the Saints can add years to the end of their deals that will automatically void.

Of course there is a downside to this practice, which New Orleans has used frequently over the past decade – it adds hefty cap charges into future years. And the Saints were burned badly for it when the NFL’s salary cap unexpectedly plummeted in 2021 because of lost revenues from the COVID-19 pandemic.

But the Saints typically have no problem pushing cap costs into future years when they expect the NFL’s cap to keep rising.

The Saints could save even more cap space if they decide to release or trade players. Thomas is one potential trade candidate (more on him later). They'll also have a decision to make with cornerback Bradley Roby, who is due $10 million. But the Saints don’t have many obvious candidates to be released.

Who will play quarterback?

Even if money was no object, it’s still immensely difficult to acquire a franchise quarterback.

The Saints could definitely have the desire to pursue a top option like Wilson or Rodgers via trade. And both are actually scheduled to make less than $30 million in salary and bonuses in 2022.

But the Saints’ biggest challenge would be making the best trade offer since they don’t pick until 18th in the draft. If the Seattle Seahawks and Green Bay Packers actually decide to trade their elite QBs, they could potentially get better offers from teams inside the top 10.

San Francisco 49ers QB Garoppolo is another potential trade candidate. So is the Houston Texans’ Deshaun Watson, though his situation is obviously complicated by off-field circumstances centered around 22 active lawsuits accusing him of sexual assault and inappropriate behavior during massage sessions.

It seems even more likely that the Saints will consider re-signing Winston, who was off to a promising 5-2 start in his first year as their starter before tearing his ACL in Week 8. Winston, who turned 28 last week, still offers the best combination of affordability and potential upside.

Or the Saints could consider bringing back another familiar free agent in Bridgewater, who went 5-0 as their replacement starter in 2019.

Drafting a quarterback would be ideal. But again, picking 18th hurts them, especially in a year when draft analysts aren't high on the position, at least for now.

What becomes of Michael Thomas?

Thomas could be a potential trade candidate, considering the Saints’ cap situation and the dissension between team and player over the past two years. But he could very likely stay – especially since New Orleans was so desperate for reliable pass-catchers while Thomas was out for the entire season with an ankle injury.

It seemed as though tensions had diffused between Thomas and the Saints by the preseason after both sides publicly displayed their frustration over how his ankle injury was handled. And Thomas was with the team, expecting to play in the second half of the season, before he suffered a setback in his recovery.

Thomas’ trade value is unclear, since he is coming off two injury-plagued seasons after being named the NFL’s Offensive Player of the Year in 2019. But his contract is relatively affordable.

He is due $15.8 million in salary and bonuses in 2022 (most of which is already guaranteed for injury). He is due another $16.45 million in 2023 and $19.7 million in 2024 that is not guaranteed.

Will Saints re-sign elite free agents?

Armstead’s lengthy injury history is a complicating factor (he missed nine games in 2021 and will likely require knee surgery this offseason after being relatively healthy in 2019 and 2020). But that could also make him more affordable, since he surely would have commanded something in the range of $20 million per year if healthy.

Williams, meanwhile, has established himself as one of the league’s top free safeties. And his value has only increased since the Saints used the franchise tag on him last year and were unable to reach a long-term extension. But keeping him should be a top priority since he is only 25.

Other notable Saints free agents include QBs Winston and Trevor Siemian, LB Kwon Alexander, WR Tre’Quan Smith and DB P.J. Williams.
If you didn't write this, and you certainly DID NOT, well dumbass, you have to post a LINK. It is ILLEGAL to plagiarize other people's property.

AsylumGuido 01-13-2022 11:46 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Here's another article from NOLA.com that gives another take on the story from the opening post.


AsylumGuido 01-13-2022 12:22 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
The CBS Sports version ...

How to fix the Saints in 2022: Leave no stone unturned at QB, shop Michael Thomas to rebuild WR corps

Five steps that could help New Orleans get back on track

By Cody Benjamin

The Saints started strong in 2021, opening 5-2 and then threatening to sneak into the playoffs down the stretch despite multiple injuries at quarterback, including to Week 1 starter Jameis Winston . In the end, New Orleans missed the cut, snapping a four-year streak of postseason runs under longtime coach Sean Payton. Not only are the Saints a full year removed from the end of the Drew Brees era, but they've yet to draw much closer to a definitive next phase, entering 2022 with remaining uncertainty at QB and across the lineup.

Now the question is, where do they go from here? What can they do to get back on track after finishing 9-8 and out of the playoffs?

You came to the right place. Here are five steps to help fix the Saints:

1. Clear cap space

It wouldn't be a Saints offseason without this as the top priority, would it? A year after maneuvering through a dire cap situation, general manager Mickey Loomis once again has tens of millions to clear off the books before anything else can be done. This should -- and likely will -- mean early cuts of replacement-level vets like Bradley Roby (saves $9.5 million) and Mark Ingram ($2.3M). But it will surely also mean approaching some bigger names, like Malcolm Jenkins and Cameron Jordan , for pay cuts.

2. Get creative at QB

And no, this doesn't mean re-sign Jameis Winston just to deploy a cute three-man rotation with Ian Book and Taysom Hill . Who do you think they are, the Panthers ? Winston absolutely deserves a second look as the potential QB1 considering the confidence he displayed early in 2021, and his price tag should be reasonable due to his unfortunate knee injury. But Payton and Co. also shouldn't settle on Winston as their only option. In fact, he should be Plan B, or just one part of Plan A. With the No. 18 pick in the draft, New Orleans needs to consider any top QB prospect that happens to slide within reach. And if, somehow, Payton's able to get a more proven starter like Russell Wilson or even Kirk Cousins , he shouldn't be afraid to pull the trigger.

3. Shop Michael Thomas

Some reports would indicate they started doing this a while ago, and it's entirely unclear what the former All-Pro would even bring in return at this point. Once one of the surest-handed targets in the NFL, the three-time Pro Bowler has played all of seven games the last two years. He's still just 28, though, and two seasons removed from a 1,700-yard season. But the Saints should be looking to both clear money and get younger and more reliable out wide. If they can designate him a post-June 1 trade -- or, in the event zero meaningful offers materialize, a post-June 1 cut -- they'll save almost $16M.

4. Retain Terron Armstead and/or Marcus Williams

In other words, their top two free agents. This won't be easy, as Loomis needs to trim something like $60M+ before addressing his own players. But it's imperative, if the Saints intend on competing in 2021, they secure at least one of these guys. Armstead has more value as a proven left tackle, especially if New Orleans is betting on Winston again or, better yet, bringing in a hotshot rookie or Pro Bowl veteran to take over. But Williams is also one of the game's rangiest young defensive backs, and Jenkins -- his top running mate -- could soon be nearing the end of the line at 34.

5. Invest at WR

This may appear to run counter to the earlier point about shopping Thomas, but remember, the Saints haven't had their No. 1 pass catcher on the field for most of the last two years. They need guys who can suit up. Money, as usual, is the dilemma here, unless Loomis really back-loads a deal for a big name like Allen Robinson or Odell Beckham Jr . One way or another, they need at least one starter added on the perimeter. Winston made things work early in 2021, but he or whomever is throwing passes in 2022 deserves better support through the air.

saintfan 01-13-2022 03:28 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Here is the link our resident ******* did not provide...

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-orlean...michael-thomas

Rell&Gold 01-13-2022 06:45 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Cutting MT to draft another WR were going to end up paying the same amount or more money doesn't make sense to me. If we already had another a WR lets s ay Callaway with MT production this year I would understand that a bit more but MT is your best option hands down....Why did they sign MT anyway if you're going to trade him when his value is more now than ever as far as the saints go. I honestly feel like the trade talk has no real substance really believe its just blog talk
I dont believe no one pays the what the Saints would want from a trade for MT....IDK I feel like trading MT rn would be bad for tht business the Saints are in it for so they say....WINNING

jnormand 01-13-2022 09:16 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Bahahahaha!

vpheughan 01-14-2022 07:07 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
File this in the "WHY NOT LAST SEASON" folder:

Jared Cook. Los Angeles Chargers, TE
Cook earned $1 million for catching 48 passes this season, his highest total since 2018. He hit the incentive number exactly but fell four touchdowns shy of the eight TDs he needed for an extra $500,000.

saintsfan1976 01-14-2022 01:30 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
My take WhoDat brothers is this:

Prepare for Jameis to be our QB. Two years invested. Affordable. Performed admirably. He's awkward as hell but the team loves him.

"Saints Cap Issues" is the new global warming - it's the fear we hear year after year. Yet we are but pimples on the earth's a$$.

Convert salaries. Use the money to surround crab legs with talent.

That probably includes MThomas unless the situation is untenable. And only a team who thinks to themselves "How can I get another Antonio Brown on my roster" will be interested. Al Davis is dead so it ain't happening.

Armstead. Yes. While it seems like he's been here 15 years, he's only 31 at the start of next season. Leader. Cerebral. Monster games.

Peat. We're stuck with that jar of mayonnaise unless someone else likes gross condiments more than we do and I don't see that as possible.

Ruiz. Has to improve. Can he with a more stable line? I think so. But I hate Michigan so I won't be hurt.

Trequan. Pass. Only idiots pull their helmets off and then immediately try to head-bump their helmeted teammate.

PJ Williams. Keep him. At 29 years old he should retire in New Orleans as the guy who gets paid to start on of three positions when called.

Kwon. Energy. Skills. Obviously a cyborg. Keep him.

Trevor. Good luck on someone's practice squad man. You've earned it.

saintsfan1976 01-14-2022 01:32 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 941742)
If you didn't write this, and you certainly DID NOT, well dumbass, you have to post a LINK. It is ILLEGAL to plagiarize other people's property.
The link is in his original post. Plus the article was free. Are you just head-hunting?

If you want to complain, then complain about people posting Nick Underhill's subscription content. Not XI-SPN.

K Major 01-14-2022 02:18 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 941839)
The link is in his original post. Plus the article was free. Are you just head-hunting?

If you want to complain, then complain about people posting Nick Underhill's subscription content. Not XI-SPN.
Posting paid content (Nick U) on B & G was MY FAULT.

No one else’s.

I’ve acknowledged the mistake to Halo.

AsylumGuido 01-14-2022 02:52 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 941839)
The link is in his original post. Plus the article was free. Are you just head-hunting?

If you want to complain, then complain about people posting Nick Underhill's subscription content. Not XI-SPN.
Is this what he was talking about? He sent me a message about posting an article without a link or something like that. I had no clue what he was talking about and told him that. I never heard back with an explanation. I have posted hundreds of published content (anywhere from snippets to full articles) over the past several years and have ALWAYS had an associated link.

Oh, and I see in your reply that he's still out there name calling. Dumbass?

:rolleyes:

vpheughan 01-14-2022 05:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 941848)
Is this what he was talking about? He sent me a message about posting an article without a link or something like that. I had no clue what he was talking about and told him that. I never heard back with an explanation. I have posted hundreds of published content (anywhere from snippets to full articles) over the past several years and have ALWAYS had an associated link.

Oh, and I see in your reply that he's still out there name calling. Dumbass?

:rolleyes:
GUIDO! LOL OHooooooo! :rolleyes: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

K Major 01-14-2022 05:38 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
I'd hate to lose PJ Williams as well.

WW_Who_Dat 01-14-2022 05:54 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 941867)
I'd hate to lose PJ Williams as well.
Seems like he a low cost low risk keep versital chess piece.

AsylumGuido 01-14-2022 05:57 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 941867)
I'd hate to lose PJ Williams as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 941870)
Seems like he a low cost low risk keep versital chess piece.
We have the convertible cap to keep any player we want ... easily.

saintsfan1976 01-15-2022 11:40 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 941843)
Posting paid content (Nick U) on B & G was MY FAULT.

No one else’s.

I’ve acknowledged the mistake to Halo.
If you did, I never saw it. My comment was more of a generality, not calling out anyone specific.

AsylumGuido 01-15-2022 02:30 PM
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Tough decisions lie ahead but Saints fans remain hopeful

Not much to this one, but it fits the thread theme.

saintfan 01-15-2022 02:37 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 941944)
Tough decisions lie ahead but Saints fans remain hopeful

Not much to this one, but it fits the thread theme.
Unlike posting Brees' birthday in the Roster thread...which I only just pointed out minutes ago, and yet I'm blocked?

I wish you really would block me...but that ego, huh Guido?

Bahahahah

So full of crap I'll bet your eyes are brown. Trolling someone you blocked across threads? After you blocked them? That's a neat trick kid...

:banana:

BakoSaint 01-15-2022 03:11 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
We should offer the Texans Michael Thomas and Taysom Hill for Deshawn Watson. This allows the Texans to save face of trading their franchise QB for peanuts by instead trading him for former fantasy football greats who they can pass off as a fair return, like when they dumped a healthy prime Hopkins for a 2nd round pick but dressed it up with David Johnson who was clearly done being valuable but allowed the trade to look like getting an all pro for an all pro. Then once we have Watson, we should trade him for some draft picks it wouldnt look good for the Texans to take, like two second rounders. In the end, we get picks for Thomas and Taysom that nobody else would give us, and the Texans get to tell fans they got two electric starters for Watson when really they had to dump him for spare parts. After trading Watson, we resign Winston and use the picks to draft receivers.

ChrisXVI 01-15-2022 03:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 941946)
We should offer the Texans Michael Thomas and Taysom Hill for Deshawn Watson. This allows the Texans to save face of trading their franchise QB for peanuts by instead trading him for former fantasy football greats who they can pass off as a fair return, like when they dumped a healthy prime Hopkins for a 2nd round pick but dressed it up with David Johnson who was clearly done being valuable but allowed the trade to look like getting an all pro for an all pro. Then once we have Watson, we should trade him for some draft picks it wouldnt look good for the Texans to take, like two second rounders. In the end, we get picks for Thomas and Taysom that nobody else would give us, and the Texans get to tell fans they got two electric starters for Watson when really they had to dump him for spare parts. After trading Watson, we resign Winston and use the picks to draft receivers.
NFL teams don’t package multiple players in trades (MT and Taysom in this example.) That’s a baseball/basketball thing.

K Major 01-15-2022 03:38 PM
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Trading MT ? No offense to Callaway or Harty (they both had respectable seasons), but have ya'll paid attention to what we trotted out there for pass catches & route runners?

Who is replacing Mike's production in 2022?

Saints aren't trading Mike.

AsylumGuido 01-15-2022 03:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 941949)
NFL teams don’t package multiple players in trades (MT and Taysom in this example.) That’s a baseball/basketball thing.
Yup. Player for player trades in itself is pretty rare, not to mention multiple players. Too many hard salary cap implications. That's not a issue in baseball or basketball.

AsylumGuido 01-15-2022 03:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 941951)
Trading MT ? No offense to Callaway or Harty (they both had respectable seasons), but have ya'll paid attention to what we trotted out there for pass catches & route runners?

Who is replacing Mike's production in 2022?

Saints aren't trading Mike.
Yeah. That seems pretty obvious, K. I don't see why some don't get it.

BakoSaint 01-15-2022 05:14 PM
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We can replace MT’s production with AB for cheaper.
Neither will play much due to injury and attitude, and AB will produce a similr volume of excuses on social media to MT. Bonus AB less likely to punch teammates in practice.

AsylumGuido 01-15-2022 05:29 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 941962)
We can replace MT’s production with AB for cheaper.
Neither will play much due to injury and attitude, and AB will produce a similr volume of excuses on social media to MT. Bonus AB less likely to punch teammates in practice.
https://media4.giphy.com/media/a3zqv...giphy.gif&ct=g

K Major 01-15-2022 05:59 PM
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Replace MT with AB in 2022?

Cmon Bako.

halloween 65 01-15-2022 09:15 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing 2 good FA WR's brought in. Keep Calloway and Harris and let the rest of those no catching cat's fight it out. Good year for FA WR's. Then we have options to see what Thomas puts out this season, puts him in a spot to perform?

saintfan 01-15-2022 09:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 941953)
Yeah. That seems pretty obvious, K. I don't see why some don't get it.
Other people will think differently than you. The fact that you don't get it is obvious. The fact that you have to broadcast that you don't get it is what makes you obnoxious.

BakoSaint 01-15-2022 09:48 PM
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I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas.

AsylumGuido 01-15-2022 10:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 941985)
I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas.
You are assuming we would want to get rid of Thomas who is arguably one of our two most dangerous offensive weapons.

K Major 01-15-2022 10:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 941979)
I wouldn't mind seeing 2 good FA WR's brought in. Keep Calloway and Harris and let the rest of those no catching cat's fight it out. Good year for FA WR's. Then we have options to see what Thomas puts out this season, puts him in a spot to perform?
Same.

Really hate we lost Emmanuel Sanders but you're 100. There are quite a few solid WRs who will be available in 2022.

DJ Chark, Juju Shuuster, Christian Kirk etc. Guys who may come with an affordable price tag.

I was high on Michael Gallup, but unfortunately, he tore his ACL.

ChrisXVI 01-15-2022 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 941985)
I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas.
Because Watson has a no-trade clause. It’s up to him to waive that.

AsylumGuido 01-15-2022 10:30 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 941991)
Because Watson has a no-trade clause. It’s up to him to waive that.
That he does!

Deshaun Watson Contract Details

Contract Notes:
$73.7M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2020 salary + 2021 salary + 2022 salary)
2023 salary & roster bonus fully guarantee on 3/20/2022
2023 Roster Bonus: $17M (guarantees 3/20/2022, due the 5th league day of 2023)
Annual $500,000 de-escalator for not attending 85% of workouts
2022-2025 Incentives
$1M for a super bowl win with 50% of SB snaps
No trade clause

halloween 65 01-15-2022 10:37 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 941990)
Same.

Really hate we lost Emmanuel Sanders but you're 100. There are quite a few solid WRs who will be available in 2022.

DJ Chark, Juju Shuuster, Christian Kirk etc. Guys who may come with an affordable price tag.

I was high on Michael Gallup, but unfortunately, he tore his ACL.
Very true about affordable contracts. It's going to hurt my feelings if Payton don't take advantage of this FA WR group.

ChrisXVI 01-16-2022 07:40 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Something to consider regarding Marcus Williams…

halloween 65 01-16-2022 08:47 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 941997)
Something to consider regarding Marcus Williams…

https://twitter.com/jordan_reid/stat...04842162327555
Your on point.

Boston Saint 01-16-2022 09:19 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 941985)
I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas.
Just curious, why would Houston trade Watson for Thomas when they could just trade Watson for picks themselves?

K Major 01-16-2022 10:16 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
I could somehow see D Watson land in NY (Giants).


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