2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions

BakoSaint · 01-15-2022, 09:48 PM

I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas.

AsylumGuido · 01-15-2022, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas.

You are assuming we would want to get rid of Thomas who is arguably one of our two most dangerous offensive weapons.

ChrisXVI · 01-15-2022, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas.

Because Watson has a no-trade clause. It’s up to him to waive that.

AsylumGuido · 01-15-2022, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Because Watson has a no-trade clause. It’s up to him to waive that.

That he does!

Deshaun Watson Contract Details

Contract Notes:
$73.7M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2020 salary + 2021 salary + 2022 salary)
2023 salary & roster bonus fully guarantee on 3/20/2022
2023 Roster Bonus: $17M (guarantees 3/20/2022, due the 5th league day of 2023)
Annual $500,000 de-escalator for not attending 85% of workouts
2022-2025 Incentives
$1M for a super bowl win with 50% of SB snaps
No trade clause

Boston Saint · 01-16-2022, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas.

Just curious, why would Houston trade Watson for Thomas when they could just trade Watson for picks themselves?

BakoSaint · 01-16-2022, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Just curious, why would Houston trade Watson for Thomas when they could just trade Watson for picks themselves?

My thinking is that Houston might not be able to get the picks that were on the table last year, and teams might low ball them. The management might want to take the low ball offer, but might also fear that trading Watson for a low ball offer after passing on higher offers last year will hurt their reputation. If they can’t keep Watson, can’t take less that two first rounders for him, and can’t get two first rounders for him, the only remaining option is to trade him for a player who they can pass off to fans as being worth two first rounders, but get for less due to character or injury concerns. Thomas could be a good match in that sense.

I want to get rid of Thomas because I worry he has Terrelle Pryors ankle, a young Antonio Browns attitude, and the combination of his apathy and injury will make rehab even less likely. I hope he ends up with a division rival on a long term deal.

ChrisXVI · 01-16-2022, 07:40 AM

Something to consider regarding Marcus Williams…

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halloween 65 · 01-16-2022, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Something to consider regarding Marcus Williams…

https://twitter.com/jordan_reid/stat...04842162327555

Your on point.

K Major · 01-16-2022, 10:16 AM

I could somehow see D Watson land in NY (Giants).

AsylumGuido · 01-16-2022, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I could somehow see D Watson land in NY (Giants).

New York Giants 2022 Salary Cap

The Giants certainly have the ability to open up enough cap to take on his contract ($35M - 2022) using base salary and roster bonus conversions, but he carries a $51 million cap hit in dead money to the Texans. It's less damaging to the Texans to leave him on the roster.

Not to mention what Chris pointed out about his having the no trade clause. He'll have to okay any deal if offered up.

01-15-2022, 09:48 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,304	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas.
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01-15-2022, 10:01 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by BakoSaint I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas. You are assuming we would want to get rid of Thomas who is arguably one of our two most dangerous offensive weapons.

01-15-2022, 10:25 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by BakoSaint I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas. Because Watson has a no-trade clause. It’s up to him to waive that. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-15-2022, 10:30 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Because Watson has a no-trade clause. It’s up to him to waive that. That he does! Deshaun Watson Contract Details Contract Notes: $73.7M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2020 salary + 2021 salary + 2022 salary) 2023 salary & roster bonus fully guarantee on 3/20/2022 2023 Roster Bonus: $17M (guarantees 3/20/2022, due the 5th league day of 2023) Annual $500,000 de-escalator for not attending 85% of workouts 2022-2025 Incentives $1M for a super bowl win with 50% of SB snaps No trade clause

01-16-2022, 09:19 AM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by BakoSaint I dont see why we cant trade Michael Thomas for Watson and then spin off Watson for picks. The Texans recently did a player for player trade of Hopkins for Johnson. Stafford for Goff was a recent player for player trade involving highly paid QBs. The Saints had success with a player for player trade of Jimmy Graham. If we could get rid of a second liability like Hill, Peat, or Ruiz that would be great but 1 for 1 it can work too. Texans can tell fans they got an elite player for Watson and didnt sell for less draft picks than they already turned down. We can turn around and trade Watson for more than we might otherwise have gotten for Thomas. Just curious, why would Houston trade Watson for Thomas when they could just trade Watson for picks themselves?

01-16-2022, 10:25 AM	#6
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,304	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by Boston Saint Just curious, why would Houston trade Watson for Thomas when they could just trade Watson for picks themselves? My thinking is that Houston might not be able to get the picks that were on the table last year, and teams might low ball them. The management might want to take the low ball offer, but might also fear that trading Watson for a low ball offer after passing on higher offers last year will hurt their reputation. If they can’t keep Watson, can’t take less that two first rounders for him, and can’t get two first rounders for him, the only remaining option is to trade him for a player who they can pass off to fans as being worth two first rounders, but get for less due to character or injury concerns. Thomas could be a good match in that sense. I want to get rid of Thomas because I worry he has Terrelle Pryors ankle, a young Antonio Browns attitude, and the combination of his apathy and injury will make rehab even less likely. I hope he ends up with a division rival on a long term deal.
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01-16-2022, 07:40 AM	#7
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Something to consider regarding Marcus Williams… Twitter AsylumGuido, halloween 65 and rezburna like this.

01-16-2022, 08:47 AM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Something to consider regarding Marcus Williams… https://twitter.com/jordan_reid/stat...04842162327555 Your on point.

01-16-2022, 10:16 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions I could somehow see D Watson land in NY (Giants).

01-16-2022, 11:04 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by K Major I could somehow see D Watson land in NY (Giants). New York Giants 2022 Salary Cap The Giants certainly have the ability to open up enough cap to take on his contract ($35M - 2022) using base salary and roster bonus conversions, but he carries a $51 million cap hit in dead money to the Texans. It's less damaging to the Texans to leave him on the roster. Not to mention what Chris pointed out about his having the no trade clause. He'll have to okay any deal if offered up.