Is Jeff Ireland leaving the Saints?

SmashMouth · 01-22-2022, 08:15 AM

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jeanpierre · 01-22-2022, 09:35 AM

Loomis needs to move aside, retire, get the f*ck out of the way; he's just a yes-man capologist...

Ireland is a much more difficult commodity as a personnel man, an exceptional talent evaluator, true general manager...

Rugby Saint II · 01-22-2022, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Loomis needs to move aside, retire, get the f*ck out of the way; he's just a yes-man capologist...

Ireland is a much more difficult commodity as a personnel man, an exceptional talent evaluator, true general manager...

True Dat jp. He isn't an accountant that is a little out of his league with personnel like Loomis.

Our franchise turned a talent corner when Ireland came to town.

AsylumGuido · 01-22-2022, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

True Dat jp. He isn't an accountant that is a little out of his league with personnel like Loomis. Our franchise turned a talent corner when Ireland came to town.

This is very true, but I see the upgrade being to Payton rather than Loomis. I don't remember Loomis ever claiming to be a personnel guy. While nobody in the league maximizes cap utilization as well as Loomis, Payton's been making the player calls since he came on board. However, Ireland has been the "birdie" in Sean's ear guiding him to the better personnel decisions since Jeff became involved.

jeanpierre · 01-22-2022, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

True Dat jp. He isn't an accountant that is a little out of his league with personnel like Loomis. Our franchise turned a talent corner when Ireland came to town.

Just remember Loomis was GM and oversaw the trade of two first round picks to move up and take Jonathan Sullivan - one of his many yes man ignorant moves...

Go back and look at what was left on the board; better still look at that draft haul...

It was at this time I really began to scrutinized his moves; what was really incredulous was a story that was printed in the TP the following year...

When Benson was asked about some of the things Loomis had done to impress him, he said he did a great job of organizing the tuxedo arrangements for his wedding to Gayle...

The story has been memory-holed from the TP/NOLA catalogue; of all the things to say about your NFL GM, that is what Benson recalled...

As GM, Loomis should be responsible for all good/bad fortune in the NFL draft; but, make no mistake 2017 was about Jeff Ireland and him reinvigorating the draft department...

Now like all NFL teams, there are a lot of coaches' sons, family, nepotistic hires and most go to the scouting department...

But if you got a savvy Scouting head with at least a couple of good scouts, you make a difference in the performance of this team...

I'd argue that Ireland has had more of a beneficial impact that Loomis...

Well Loomis hired Sean and signed Drew; perspective - Sean Payton only had the one offer and Miami didn't want Drew - Football Gods reversed the curse...

Having met Loomis on multiple occasions where my friends have connections, can tell you he couldn't sell lemonade in the desert...

And when you start talking past draft prospects and other moves, he moves into the same double speak that most politicians give off...

Keep Ireland at all costs...

Wikipedia | 2003 NFL Draft

Wikipedia | 2003 New Orleans Saints

Rugby Saint II · 01-23-2022, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Just remember Loomis was GM and oversaw the trade of two first round picks to move up and take Jonathan Sullivan - one of his many yes man ignorant moves...

Go back and look at what was left on the board; better still look at that draft haul...

It was at this time I really began to scrutinized his moves; what was really incredulous was a story that was printed in the TP the following year...

When Benson was asked about some of the things Loomis had done to impress him, he said he did a great job of organizing the tuxedo arrangements for his wedding to Gayle...

The story has been memory-holed from the TP/NOLA catalogue; of all the things to say about your NFL GM, that is what Benson recalled...

As GM, Loomis should be responsible for all good/bad fortune in the NFL draft; but, make no mistake 2017 was about Jeff Ireland and him reinvigorating the draft department...

Now like all NFL teams, there are a lot of coaches' sons, family, nepotistic hires and most go to the scouting department...

But if you got a savvy Scouting head with at least a couple of good scouts, you make a difference in the performance of this team...

I'd argue that Ireland has had more of a beneficial impact that Loomis...

Well Loomis hired Sean and signed Drew; perspective - Sean Payton only had the one offer and Miami didn't want Drew - Football Gods reversed the curse...

Having met Loomis on multiple occasions where my friends have connections, can tell you he couldn't sell lemonade in the desert...

And when you start talking past draft prospects and other moves, he moves into the same double speak that most politicians give off...

Keep Ireland at all costs...

Wikipedia | 2003 NFL Draft

Wikipedia | 2003 New Orleans Saints

That is spot on jp. However, the football gods didn't smile on us. I believe Katrina washed away the Voo Doo curse in New Orleans.

halloween 65 · 01-23-2022, 02:50 PM

On Irelands behalf he has put some of the best secondarys together dating back to his Miami days.

SmashMouth · 01-25-2022, 08:26 AM

It was posted in another thread... he did not make the cut for second interviews. Good for us.

01-22-2022, 09:35 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Is Jeff Ireland leaving the Saints? Loomis needs to move aside, retire, get the f*ck out of the way; he's just a yes-man capologist... Ireland is a much more difficult commodity as a personnel man, an exceptional talent evaluator, true general manager... SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II, dizzle88 and 2 others like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Is Jeff Ireland leaving the Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Loomis needs to move aside, retire, get the f*ck out of the way; he's just a yes-man capologist... Ireland is a much more difficult commodity as a personnel man, an exceptional talent evaluator, true general manager... True Dat jp. He isn't an accountant that is a little out of his league with personnel like Loomis. Our franchise turned a talent corner when Ireland came to town. AsylumGuido, jeanpierre and Lord_Saint83 like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Is Jeff Ireland leaving the Saints? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II True Dat jp. He isn't an accountant that is a little out of his league with personnel like Loomis. Our franchise turned a talent corner when Ireland came to town. This is very true, but I see the upgrade being to Payton rather than Loomis. I don't remember Loomis ever claiming to be a personnel guy. While nobody in the league maximizes cap utilization as well as Loomis, Payton's been making the player calls since he came on board. However, Ireland has been the "birdie" in Sean's ear guiding him to the better personnel decisions since Jeff became involved.

01-22-2022, 01:19 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Is Jeff Ireland leaving the Saints? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II True Dat jp. He isn't an accountant that is a little out of his league with personnel like Loomis. Our franchise turned a talent corner when Ireland came to town. Just remember Loomis was GM and oversaw the trade of two first round picks to move up and take Jonathan Sullivan - one of his many yes man ignorant moves... Go back and look at what was left on the board; better still look at that draft haul... It was at this time I really began to scrutinized his moves; what was really incredulous was a story that was printed in the TP the following year... When Benson was asked about some of the things Loomis had done to impress him, he said he did a great job of organizing the tuxedo arrangements for his wedding to Gayle... The story has been memory-holed from the TP/NOLA catalogue; of all the things to say about your NFL GM, that is what Benson recalled... As GM, Loomis should be responsible for all good/bad fortune in the NFL draft; but, make no mistake 2017 was about Jeff Ireland and him reinvigorating the draft department... Now like all NFL teams, there are a lot of coaches' sons, family, nepotistic hires and most go to the scouting department... But if you got a savvy Scouting head with at least a couple of good scouts, you make a difference in the performance of this team... I'd argue that Ireland has had more of a beneficial impact that Loomis... Well Loomis hired Sean and signed Drew; perspective - Sean Payton only had the one offer and Miami didn't want Drew - Football Gods reversed the curse... Having met Loomis on multiple occasions where my friends have connections, can tell you he couldn't sell lemonade in the desert... And when you start talking past draft prospects and other moves, he moves into the same double speak that most politicians give off... Keep Ireland at all costs... Wikipedia \| 2003 NFL Draft Wikipedia \| 2003 New Orleans Saints Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-23-2022, 11:28 AM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Is Jeff Ireland leaving the Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Just remember Loomis was GM and oversaw the trade of two first round picks to move up and take Jonathan Sullivan - one of his many yes man ignorant moves... Go back and look at what was left on the board; better still look at that draft haul... It was at this time I really began to scrutinized his moves; what was really incredulous was a story that was printed in the TP the following year... When Benson was asked about some of the things Loomis had done to impress him, he said he did a great job of organizing the tuxedo arrangements for his wedding to Gayle... The story has been memory-holed from the TP/NOLA catalogue; of all the things to say about your NFL GM, that is what Benson recalled... As GM, Loomis should be responsible for all good/bad fortune in the NFL draft; but, make no mistake 2017 was about Jeff Ireland and him reinvigorating the draft department... Now like all NFL teams, there are a lot of coaches' sons, family, nepotistic hires and most go to the scouting department... But if you got a savvy Scouting head with at least a couple of good scouts, you make a difference in the performance of this team... I'd argue that Ireland has had more of a beneficial impact that Loomis... Well Loomis hired Sean and signed Drew; perspective - Sean Payton only had the one offer and Miami didn't want Drew - Football Gods reversed the curse... Having met Loomis on multiple occasions where my friends have connections, can tell you he couldn't sell lemonade in the desert... And when you start talking past draft prospects and other moves, he moves into the same double speak that most politicians give off... Keep Ireland at all costs... Wikipedia \| 2003 NFL Draft Wikipedia \| 2003 New Orleans Saints That is spot on jp. However, the football gods didn't smile on us. I believe Katrina washed away the Voo Doo curse in New Orleans. jeanpierre likes this.

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