2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions

saintsfan1976 · 01-19-2022, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I think Nick Underhill is biased because he has a vested interest in the Saints offseason being an exciting story for him to earn a livelihood covering not a depressing compromise. Everything has not always been ok, this past year we went from winning our division with one of the best records in the league to missing the playoffs and having one of the weakest receiving cores in league history. Having to convert roster bonuses and salaries of guys like peat, hill, and thomas to signing bonuses is dangerous because we create situations where very injury prone very potentially ineffective players could play for almost free this year but go into future years with so much deferred money that we can’t afford to cut them no matter how bad they are, so we end up stuck letting players any other team would cut who make no contribution to the team playing out the their contract and cashing ever dollar. Peat could end making more money in 2023 forward than keeping Armstead would have cost. Hill could finish his contract with 8 games played in the next 3 years but more dead money than Brees. Michael Thomas could end up like Antonio Brown with the Raiders and get in a public fued with Payton and punch Lattimore and lose a toe in a cryo chamber but we cant cut him without a 50m cap hit. If we keep managing our cap this way we might even have to sign Peat and Hill to longer extensions to age 40 to spread out the cap hit. We need to maintain flexibility to be able to manage a sane roster and i just dont see how deferring money on bad contracts helps that. Logic and reason and common sense say that leading the league in being over the cap with a non-playoff team is not a good thing.

Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business.

You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants.

Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON.

My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend.

Rugby Saint II · 01-20-2022, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business.

You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants.

Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON.

My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend.

As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair?

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2022, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair?

Yup. It was an attempt to do a sign and trade for Jadeveon Clowney in 2020.

The NFL nixed the New Orleans Saints sign-and-trade for Jadeveon Clowney

“The sides discussed parameters of a deal in which Team X would’ve signed Clowney to a one-year, $15 million contract and paid him a $5 million signing bonus. Then, Team X would’ve immediately traded Clowney to the Saints, who would’ve sent Team X a second-round draft pick, as well as a player to take additional salary off New Orleans’ books. The Saints would’ve paid Clowney’s remaining $10 million salary.

“Just one problem: The teams got word late Saturday the NFL was unlikely to approve such a deal,” they continued.

The Browns were the team that the two mentioned in the article as “Team X” but they noted that wasn’t confirmed. It’s rather unprecedented to sign a free agent only to immediately trade them, one reason the NFL may have not wanted the trade to go through.

Rugby Saint II · 01-20-2022, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business.

You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants.

Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON.

My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend.

As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair to the rest of the NFL?

01-19-2022, 04:54 PM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,996 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by BakoSaint I think Nick Underhill is biased because he has a vested interest in the Saints offseason being an exciting story for him to earn a livelihood covering not a depressing compromise. Everything has not always been ok, this past year we went from winning our division with one of the best records in the league to missing the playoffs and having one of the weakest receiving cores in league history. Having to convert roster bonuses and salaries of guys like peat, hill, and thomas to signing bonuses is dangerous because we create situations where very injury prone very potentially ineffective players could play for almost free this year but go into future years with so much deferred money that we can’t afford to cut them no matter how bad they are, so we end up stuck letting players any other team would cut who make no contribution to the team playing out the their contract and cashing ever dollar. Peat could end making more money in 2023 forward than keeping Armstead would have cost. Hill could finish his contract with 8 games played in the next 3 years but more dead money than Brees. Michael Thomas could end up like Antonio Brown with the Raiders and get in a public fued with Payton and punch Lattimore and lose a toe in a cryo chamber but we cant cut him without a 50m cap hit. If we keep managing our cap this way we might even have to sign Peat and Hill to longer extensions to age 40 to spread out the cap hit. We need to maintain flexibility to be able to manage a sane roster and i just dont see how deferring money on bad contracts helps that. Logic and reason and common sense say that leading the league in being over the cap with a non-playoff team is not a good thing. Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business. You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants. Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON. My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend. Crusader, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

01-20-2022, 11:19 AM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business. You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants. Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON. My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend. As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair?

01-20-2022, 11:55 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair? Yup. It was an attempt to do a sign and trade for Jadeveon Clowney in 2020. The NFL nixed the New Orleans Saints sign-and-trade for Jadeveon Clowney “The sides discussed parameters of a deal in which Team X would’ve signed Clowney to a one-year, $15 million contract and paid him a $5 million signing bonus. Then, Team X would’ve immediately traded Clowney to the Saints, who would’ve sent Team X a second-round draft pick, as well as a player to take additional salary off New Orleans’ books. The Saints would’ve paid Clowney’s remaining $10 million salary. “Just one problem: The teams got word late Saturday the NFL was unlikely to approve such a deal,” they continued. The Browns were the team that the two mentioned in the article as “Team X” but they noted that wasn’t confirmed. It’s rather unprecedented to sign a free agent only to immediately trade them, one reason the NFL may have not wanted the trade to go through.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-20-2022, 11:21 AM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business. You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants. Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON. My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend. As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair to the rest of the NFL?