Extra game cost Saints a playoff spot

leilung · 01-14-2022, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Not even wins against Green Bay, Pats, and Tampa twice?

I think he's referring to notable losses to non-playoff teams: Panthers, Giants, Dolphins, and Falcons. You really can't hang your hat on beating TB and then losing badly to the Dolphins, regardless of the circumstances. IMHO, true playoff contenders never rely on 'help' to punch their ticket to post season.

The Saints controlled their own destiny in the Miami game and blew it.

Boston Saint · 01-14-2022, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I think he's referring to notable losses to non-playoff teams: Panthers, Giants, Dolphins, and Falcons. You really can't hang your hat on beating TB and then losing badly to the Dolphins, regardless of the circumstances. IMHO, true playoff contenders never rely on 'help' to punch their ticket to post season.

The Saints controlled their own destiny in the Miami game and blew it.

So, I believe the wins against Tampa and Green Bay were more indicative than the Miami loss where the team was forced to play with 4th stringers at QB and across the offensive line. The “next man up” and “no excuses” mentality is all good and fine, but hardly realistic. Do you think it’s just a coincidence that none of the teams that did make the playoffs lost their first and second string QBs for extended periods of time like the Saints did? Do you think it’s mere
happenstance that the Saints set a record for the most different starters in the history of the league and just missed the playoffs? I think there is a direct relation.

Obviously the Atl, Giant, and Miami losses were tough and on the team. But likes wise the 4 wins against playoff teams were impressive and on the team too. To someone that says there was “nothing” playoff caliber about the team’s body of work I respectively disagree. One or two wins against winning/playoff teams could be a fluke. 4 is not.

Hanging the “blew it” label that you are on the Miami game without taking into account the roster situation is silly in my opinion. But hey, that’s just me. Doesn’t mean I’m right.

K Major · 01-16-2022, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

The Saints controlled their own destiny in the Miami game and blew it.

16 players OUT of that MNF due to Covid …

No excuse but that simply wasn’t a fair fight.

Boston Saint · 01-16-2022, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

16 players OUT of that MNF due to Covid …

No excuse but that simply wasn’t a fair fight.

The league also changed COVID protocols about a week or so later. Those changes allowed Niners players to participate in their final game against the Rams that would not have been eligible had the protocols stayed the same. Different rules for different teams.

saintfan · 01-16-2022, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

The league also changed COVID protocols about a week or so later. Those changes allowed Niners players to participate in their final game against the Rams that would not have been eligible had the protocols stayed the same. Different rules for different teams.

My point too. Yet another example of the NFL putting some thing ahead of fair play.

AsylumGuido · 01-16-2022, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

16 players OUT of that MNF due to Covid …

No excuse but that simply wasn’t a fair fight.

Not an excuse, but a very valid reason. Expecting any team to "control" their own destiny given those circumstances is beyond reason. Even the Miami fans in the Dome that night were aware of the handicap and some were even outwardly apologetic. We sat there until the final seconds ticked off the clock and couple of Dolphin fans sitting up behind us told us on our way out that they knew it wasn't fair, but they'd take it.

saintfan · 01-16-2022, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not an excuse, but a very valid reason. Expecting any team to "control" their own destiny given those circumstances is beyond reason. Even the Miami fans in the Dome that night were aware of the handicap and some were even outwardly apologetic. We sat there until the final seconds ticked off the clock and couple of Dolphin fans sitting up behind us told us on our way out that they knew it wasn't fair, but they'd take it.

Did you tell them how wrong they were and that the NFL is completely legit?

And what about the NFL changing the rules mid-contest, as has been pointed out? Does the NFL have a reason (excuse) for that?

Hey, it's okay. We'll wait until the subject is covered on NFL Radio so you can come back here with some talking points - you know, other people's opinions you arrogantly try to pass off as your own.

Idiot.

vpheughan · 01-18-2022, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not an excuse, but a very valid reason. Expecting any team to "control" their own destiny given those circumstances is beyond reason. Even the Miami fans in the Dome that night were aware of the handicap and some were even outwardly apologetic. We sat there until the final seconds ticked off the clock and couple of Dolphin fans sitting up behind us told us on our way out that they knew it wasn't fair, but they'd take it.

What about the Denver Broncos last year with NO STARTING QB'S? yet still had to play the Saints.

01-14-2022, 10:03 AM	#1
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,426	Re: Extra game cost Saints a playoff spot Originally Posted by Boston Saint Not even wins against Green Bay, Pats, and Tampa twice? I think he's referring to notable losses to non-playoff teams: Panthers, Giants, Dolphins, and Falcons. You really can't hang your hat on beating TB and then losing badly to the Dolphins, regardless of the circumstances. IMHO, true playoff contenders never rely on 'help' to punch their ticket to post season. The Saints controlled their own destiny in the Miami game and blew it. Rugby Saint II and dizzle88 like this.

01-14-2022, 11:20 AM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Extra game cost Saints a playoff spot Originally Posted by leilung I think he's referring to notable losses to non-playoff teams: Panthers, Giants, Dolphins, and Falcons. You really can't hang your hat on beating TB and then losing badly to the Dolphins, regardless of the circumstances. IMHO, true playoff contenders never rely on 'help' to punch their ticket to post season. The Saints controlled their own destiny in the Miami game and blew it. So, I believe the wins against Tampa and Green Bay were more indicative than the Miami loss where the team was forced to play with 4th stringers at QB and across the offensive line. The “next man up” and “no excuses” mentality is all good and fine, but hardly realistic. Do you think it’s just a coincidence that none of the teams that did make the playoffs lost their first and second string QBs for extended periods of time like the Saints did? Do you think it’s mere happenstance that the Saints set a record for the most different starters in the history of the league and just missed the playoffs? I think there is a direct relation. Obviously the Atl, Giant, and Miami losses were tough and on the team. But likes wise the 4 wins against playoff teams were impressive and on the team too. To someone that says there was “nothing” playoff caliber about the team’s body of work I respectively disagree. One or two wins against winning/playoff teams could be a fluke. 4 is not. Hanging the “blew it” label that you are on the Miami game without taking into account the roster situation is silly in my opinion. But hey, that’s just me. Doesn’t mean I’m right. Rugby Saint II and SaintGnome like this.
	You think you know, but you don’t know...and you never will! Coach Jim Mora

01-16-2022, 08:59 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Extra game cost Saints a playoff spot Originally Posted by leilung The Saints controlled their own destiny in the Miami game and blew it. 16 players OUT of that MNF due to Covid … No excuse but that simply wasn’t a fair fight. UK_WhoDat, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

01-16-2022, 09:15 AM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Extra game cost Saints a playoff spot Originally Posted by K Major 16 players OUT of that MNF due to Covid … No excuse but that simply wasn’t a fair fight. The league also changed COVID protocols about a week or so later. Those changes allowed Niners players to participate in their final game against the Rams that would not have been eligible had the protocols stayed the same. Different rules for different teams. saintfan, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

01-16-2022, 10:09 AM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Extra game cost Saints a playoff spot Originally Posted by Boston Saint The league also changed COVID protocols about a week or so later. Those changes allowed Niners players to participate in their final game against the Rams that would not have been eligible had the protocols stayed the same. Different rules for different teams. My point too. Yet another example of the NFL putting some thing ahead of fair play. Rugby Saint II, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

01-16-2022, 10:55 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Extra game cost Saints a playoff spot Originally Posted by K Major 16 players OUT of that MNF due to Covid … No excuse but that simply wasn’t a fair fight. Not an excuse, but a very valid reason. Expecting any team to "control" their own destiny given those circumstances is beyond reason. Even the Miami fans in the Dome that night were aware of the handicap and some were even outwardly apologetic. We sat there until the final seconds ticked off the clock and couple of Dolphin fans sitting up behind us told us on our way out that they knew it wasn't fair, but they'd take it.

01-16-2022, 11:02 AM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Extra game cost Saints a playoff spot Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not an excuse, but a very valid reason. Expecting any team to "control" their own destiny given those circumstances is beyond reason. Even the Miami fans in the Dome that night were aware of the handicap and some were even outwardly apologetic. We sat there until the final seconds ticked off the clock and couple of Dolphin fans sitting up behind us told us on our way out that they knew it wasn't fair, but they'd take it. Did you tell them how wrong they were and that the NFL is completely legit? And what about the NFL changing the rules mid-contest, as has been pointed out? Does the NFL have a reason (excuse) for that? Hey, it's okay. We'll wait until the subject is covered on NFL Radio so you can come back here with some talking points - you know, other people's opinions you arrogantly try to pass off as your own. Idiot.

01-18-2022, 08:34 AM	#8
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,548	Re: Extra game cost Saints a playoff spot Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not an excuse, but a very valid reason. Expecting any team to "control" their own destiny given those circumstances is beyond reason. Even the Miami fans in the Dome that night were aware of the handicap and some were even outwardly apologetic. We sat there until the final seconds ticked off the clock and couple of Dolphin fans sitting up behind us told us on our way out that they knew it wasn't fair, but they'd take it. What about the Denver Broncos last year with NO STARTING QB'S? yet still had to play the Saints. Rugby Saint II likes this.
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,548