Head Coach Search

AsylumGuido · 02-01-2022, 03:35 PM

Holy crap! This is going to get really ugly.

saintfan · 02-01-2022, 03:48 PM

Speedo:

Has now posted the exact same crap in two different threads.

Ego much?

The Dude · 02-02-2022, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Speedo:

Has now posted the exact same crap in two different threads.

Ego much?

But wait, I thought tanking was a fan concept and it would only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL?

saintfan · 02-02-2022, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

But wait, I thought tanking was a fan concept and it would only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL?

Speedo, ah little speedo. All we ever have to do is wait for his BS to unravel. Thanks for pointing out this one. I can't believe I missed it!

Where ya at Speedo? Care to change your bull**** story sir? Bah hahahaha!

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2022, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

But wait, I thought tanking was a fan concept and it would only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL?

Try getting your facts straight, Dude. Here is the post that I referred to tanking being a fan concept.

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1015...tml#post943288 (Your dream coach)

"Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic.

Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love."

Nowhere did I say "only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL". In addition, I said tanking would be at the "administrative level" (ie. the owner) and that the franchise would not have a "winning culture" (ie. the Dolphins and the Browns).

The next post

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1015...tml#post943291 (Your dream coach)

I mention how administrative tanking does occur in MLB, but "the players and coaches do everything within their abilities to win. Their individual careers are impacted."

This is exactly why Brian Flores refused the owner's demand to tank and ended up getting fired.

saintfan · 02-02-2022, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Honestly, tanking is a fan concept.

You can crawfish all you want little speedo, but his point, that thing that whizzed in through one ear, rattled around in your empty head, then zipped out the other ear, was the part I pulled out of that dumb response where you went to great lengths to cover your tracks.

NPD. It's real, and you my friend are a case study in the point.

saintfan · 02-02-2022, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Honestly, tanking is a fan concept.

What we know for certain is that the NFL's system for drafting college players incentivizes tanking -- losing on purpose. The team with the worst record picks at the top of each round. No owner has ever faced such a specific accusation, and paying any contracted employee -- coach or player -- off the books is a violation of the NFL's constitution.

It's worth noting that Flores' attorneys made this a class-action lawsuit, which means others can join if they have evidence or accusations to make. Longtime NFL coach Hue Jackson suggested Wednesday on Twitter that he received a similar offer from Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam in 2016.

Hey speedo, looks like it's not a one-off eh? Dummy. It happens every season.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...king-plus-next

neugey · 02-01-2022, 05:24 PM

So I guess it's Tom Flores then?

TheOak · 02-02-2022, 06:10 AM

A lot of heavily biased comments but lets roll them up and understand the implications. Everyone is still trying to win with the cards in their hand but ignoring the deck.

Allen Gets the Job:
- You have lost the focus of your DC.
- People go with what they know and Dennis Allen will go with Sean Payton's offense, unless you prefer he go with the less than .300 win rate offense he used when he was a HC. Continuity is not always a good thing.
- You have not gained an OC to replace what Sean Payton brought to the table.
- We do not have weapons except for Kamara and need a QB and Wide Receivers. Not a single free agent playing those positions that has visited New Orleans in the past years, visited because they wanted to play for Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen as HC is not going to attract any of the notable offensive free agents that we need (don't bring up cap that is a different discussion and we know how that is played). You noticed how interest decayed after Brees left? Allen will be a desert of interest.
- We had two people worthy of the title 'able to develop a QB', they are both gone and that's a piece this puzzle needs filled. It is not Dennis Allen.

Allen Does not get the job:
- Allen might leave. Well, if he leaves New Orleans or leaves the DC position his focus on the defense is lost.
- Allen might stay. ZERO teams are presently offering him a HC job (maybe the Saints), he would be a moron to leave New Orleans to be a DC starting over somewhere else.
- A new HC might replace Allen, well if you make him HC you have replaced him as DC. Any new HC that would immediately replace Dennis Allen as DC considering our defensive performance in 2021 and having a TOP 5 defense two years in a row is a HC we do not want and can join Allen in the 'would be a moron' box.

We all debate how things should change but we all silently agree that things need to change. Promoting Allen to HC would be the first step in keeping things the same.

Having been born and raised in Louisiana I feel comfortable in saying this. Louisianans hold on to broken sh1t way too long, they beat their fists for change but cant stomach what it takes to make those changes.

stickman · 02-02-2022, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A lot of heavily biased comments but lets roll them up and understand the implications. Everyone is still trying to win with the cards in their hand but ignoring the deck.

Allen Gets the Job:
- You have lost the focus of your DC.
- People go with what they know and Dennis Allen will go with Sean Payton's offense, unless you prefer he go with the less than .300 win rate offense he used when he was a HC. Continuity is not always a good thing.
- You have not gained an OC to replace what Sean Payton brought to the table.
- We do not have weapons except for Kamara and need a QB and Wide Receivers. Not a single free agent playing those positions that has visited New Orleans in the past years, visited because they wanted to play for Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen as HC is not going to attract any of the notable offensive free agents that we need (don't bring up cap that is a different discussion and we know how that is played). You noticed how interest decayed after Brees left? Allen will be a desert of interest.
- We had two people worthy of the title 'able to develop a QB', they are both gone and that's a piece this puzzle needs filled. It is not Dennis Allen.

Allen Does not get the job:
- Allen might leave. Well, if he leaves New Orleans or leaves the DC position his focus on the defense is lost.
- Allen might stay. ZERO teams are presently offering him a HC job (maybe the Saints), he would be a moron to leave New Orleans to be a DC starting over somewhere else.
- A new HC might replace Allen, well if you make him HC you have replaced him as DC. Any new HC that would immediately replace Dennis Allen as DC considering our defensive performance in 2021 and having a TOP 5 defense two years in a row is a HC we do not want and can join Allen in the 'would be a moron' box.

We all debate how things should change but we all silently agree that things need to change. Promoting Allen to HC would be the first step in keeping things the same.

Having been born and raised in Louisiana I feel comfortable in saying this. Louisianans hold on to broken sh1t way too long, they beat their fists for change but cant stomach what it takes to make those changes.

Agree with you on this Oak. I think he probably leaves if he doesn't get the HC job. Knowing he wanted the job would make it awkward between him and another coach. I still think he gets it, but please Mr. Loomis, do your homework.

02-01-2022, 03:35 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Head Coach Search Holy crap! This is going to get really ugly. Twitter

02-01-2022, 03:48 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Speedo: Has now posted the exact same crap in two different threads. Ego much?

02-02-2022, 10:16 AM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by saintfan Speedo: Has now posted the exact same crap in two different threads. Ego much? But wait, I thought tanking was a fan concept and it would only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL?
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02-02-2022, 10:21 AM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by The Dude But wait, I thought tanking was a fan concept and it would only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL? Speedo, ah little speedo. All we ever have to do is wait for his BS to unravel. Thanks for pointing out this one. I can't believe I missed it! Where ya at Speedo? Care to change your bull**** story sir? Bah hahahaha!

02-02-2022, 11:18 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by The Dude But wait, I thought tanking was a fan concept and it would only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL? Try getting your facts straight, Dude. Here is the post that I referred to tanking being a fan concept. https://blackandgold.com/saints/1015...tml#post943288 (Your dream coach) "Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic. Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love." Nowhere did I say "only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL". In addition, I said tanking would be at the "administrative level" (ie. the owner) and that the franchise would not have a "winning culture" (ie. the Dolphins and the Browns). The next post https://blackandgold.com/saints/1015...tml#post943291 (Your dream coach) I mention how administrative tanking does occur in MLB, but "the players and coaches do everything within their abilities to win. Their individual careers are impacted." This is exactly why Brian Flores refused the owner's demand to tank and ended up getting fired.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-02-2022, 12:38 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. You can crawfish all you want little speedo, but his point, that thing that whizzed in through one ear, rattled around in your empty head, then zipped out the other ear, was the part I pulled out of that dumb response where you went to great lengths to cover your tracks. NPD. It's real, and you my friend are a case study in the point.

02-02-2022, 05:37 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. What we know for certain is that the NFL's system for drafting college players incentivizes tanking -- losing on purpose. The team with the worst record picks at the top of each round. No owner has ever faced such a specific accusation, and paying any contracted employee -- coach or player -- off the books is a violation of the NFL's constitution. It's worth noting that Flores' attorneys made this a class-action lawsuit, which means others can join if they have evidence or accusations to make. Longtime NFL coach Hue Jackson suggested Wednesday on Twitter that he received a similar offer from Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam in 2016. Hey speedo, looks like it's not a one-off eh? Dummy. It happens every season. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...king-plus-next

02-01-2022, 05:24 PM	#8
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,859 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Head Coach Search So I guess it's Tom Flores then?

02-02-2022, 06:10 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Head Coach Search A lot of heavily biased comments but lets roll them up and understand the implications. Everyone is still trying to win with the cards in their hand but ignoring the deck. Allen Gets the Job: - You have lost the focus of your DC. - People go with what they know and Dennis Allen will go with Sean Payton's offense, unless you prefer he go with the less than .300 win rate offense he used when he was a HC. Continuity is not always a good thing. - You have not gained an OC to replace what Sean Payton brought to the table. - We do not have weapons except for Kamara and need a QB and Wide Receivers. Not a single free agent playing those positions that has visited New Orleans in the past years, visited because they wanted to play for Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen as HC is not going to attract any of the notable offensive free agents that we need (don't bring up cap that is a different discussion and we know how that is played). You noticed how interest decayed after Brees left? Allen will be a desert of interest. - We had two people worthy of the title 'able to develop a QB', they are both gone and that's a piece this puzzle needs filled. It is not Dennis Allen. Allen Does not get the job: - Allen might leave. Well, if he leaves New Orleans or leaves the DC position his focus on the defense is lost. - Allen might stay. ZERO teams are presently offering him a HC job (maybe the Saints), he would be a moron to leave New Orleans to be a DC starting over somewhere else. - A new HC might replace Allen, well if you make him HC you have replaced him as DC. Any new HC that would immediately replace Dennis Allen as DC considering our defensive performance in 2021 and having a TOP 5 defense two years in a row is a HC we do not want and can join Allen in the 'would be a moron' box. We all debate how things should change but we all silently agree that things need to change. Promoting Allen to HC would be the first step in keeping things the same. Having been born and raised in Louisiana I feel comfortable in saying this. Louisianans hold on to broken sh1t way too long, they beat their fists for change but cant stomach what it takes to make those changes.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

02-02-2022, 06:44 AM	#10
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,801	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak A lot of heavily biased comments but lets roll them up and understand the implications. Everyone is still trying to win with the cards in their hand but ignoring the deck. Allen Gets the Job: - You have lost the focus of your DC. - People go with what they know and Dennis Allen will go with Sean Payton's offense, unless you prefer he go with the less than .300 win rate offense he used when he was a HC. Continuity is not always a good thing. - You have not gained an OC to replace what Sean Payton brought to the table. - We do not have weapons except for Kamara and need a QB and Wide Receivers. Not a single free agent playing those positions that has visited New Orleans in the past years, visited because they wanted to play for Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen as HC is not going to attract any of the notable offensive free agents that we need (don't bring up cap that is a different discussion and we know how that is played). You noticed how interest decayed after Brees left? Allen will be a desert of interest. - We had two people worthy of the title 'able to develop a QB', they are both gone and that's a piece this puzzle needs filled. It is not Dennis Allen. Allen Does not get the job: - Allen might leave. Well, if he leaves New Orleans or leaves the DC position his focus on the defense is lost. - Allen might stay. ZERO teams are presently offering him a HC job (maybe the Saints), he would be a moron to leave New Orleans to be a DC starting over somewhere else. - A new HC might replace Allen, well if you make him HC you have replaced him as DC. Any new HC that would immediately replace Dennis Allen as DC considering our defensive performance in 2021 and having a TOP 5 defense two years in a row is a HC we do not want and can join Allen in the 'would be a moron' box. We all debate how things should change but we all silently agree that things need to change. Promoting Allen to HC would be the first step in keeping things the same. Having been born and raised in Louisiana I feel comfortable in saying this. Louisianans hold on to broken sh1t way too long, they beat their fists for change but cant stomach what it takes to make those changes. Agree with you on this Oak. I think he probably leaves if he doesn't get the HC job. Knowing he wanted the job would make it awkward between him and another coach. I still think he gets it, but please Mr. Loomis, do your homework.