Head Coach Search

turbo_dog · 02-07-2022, 11:04 AM

Who do you think makes the final decision on the hire? Loomis alone? Loomis and Mrs. Benson?

Boston Saint · 02-07-2022, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

Who do you think makes the final decision on the hire? Loomis alone? Loomis and Mrs. Benson?

Final? Mrs B is my guess. Jeff Ireland, she and Micky all talk,
but she makes the call I guess.

AsylumGuido · 02-07-2022, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

Who do you think makes the final decision on the hire? Loomis alone? Loomis and Mrs. Benson?

I'd say the only three with the real decision making would be Loomis, Lauscha, and Benson. The owner has to have the final say, however.

saintsfan1976 · 02-07-2022, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I respectfully disagree with the positions each of you has taken on the discussion, but your perspective is your perspective and I’m not here to try and change that. They’ve always said we live in two different Americas and the fact we can live in the same country and view it so differently and have such disproportionately different outcomes in mass is a testament to that notion. I bow out of the conversation on the premise that there is not enough common ground to be found for us to come to an agreement. Again, respectfully.

I'm down with this. But let's not forget our differing perspectives ARE what make this a great place to live. We may not agree on everything but we can learn from each other!

Rell&Gold · 02-07-2022, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

That’s kind of the point though. I remember when there were no black QBs. That is not the case now and being black won’t hold a QB back at all now if he can play. That happened naturally through acceptance, not because the league tried to force black QBs onto teams through rules the way they are doing now and have been since the Rooney rule. In this case the coach is complaining because a team asked him in to meet a requirement. It sounds like he was fired in Miami for not tanking games rather than his race. Why would he have been hired in Miami at all if the organization is racist?

The league hasn't accepted the fact that Black Coaches can coach? or they haven't accepted the fact like just like the sport Coaching would be majority persons of color if/once "It's Accepted" THATS RACISM in a nutshell. We know they can but can't accept what comes with that "A MAJORITY BLACK NFL PLAYERS AND COACHES"

Boston Saint · 02-07-2022, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

The league hasn't accepted the fact that Black Coaches can coach? or they haven't accepted the fact like just like the sport Coaching would be majority persons of color if/once "It's Accepted" THATS RACISM in a nutshell. We know they can but can't accept what comes with that "A MAJORITY BLACK NFL PLAYERS AND COACHES"

Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying.

rezburna · 02-07-2022, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying.

He’s saying the league is afraid that if they accept the fact that Black coaches are equally yoked to be head coaches and are provided the opportunity without any bias whatsoever the coaching numbers would become just as lopsided as the player make up. He’s basically saying the majority of coaches would be Black and the NFL isn’t willing to let that happen, which he says is racism in a nutshell. “We will make concessions to your community but we will never truly empower your community in such a manner that threatens the status quo.”

Hope that helps.

jnormand · 02-07-2022, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying.

He's saying that the league is racist and they don't want black coaches because most of the coaches would be black and the league doesn't want that.

Or something....

halloween 65 · 02-07-2022, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I respectfully disagree with the positions each of you has taken on the discussion, but your perspective is your perspective and I’m not here to try and change that. They’ve always said we live in two different Americas and the fact we can live in the same country and view it so differently and have such disproportionately different outcomes in mass is a testament to that notion. I bow out of the conversation on the premise that there is not enough common ground to be found for us to come to an agreement. Again, respectfully.

It's all good Rez.

02-07-2022, 11:04 AM	#331
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Re: Head Coach Search Who do you think makes the final decision on the hire? Loomis alone? Loomis and Mrs. Benson?

02-07-2022, 11:09 AM	#332
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by turbo_dog Who do you think makes the final decision on the hire? Loomis alone? Loomis and Mrs. Benson? Final? Mrs B is my guess. Jeff Ireland, she and Micky all talk, but she makes the call I guess.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by turbo_dog Who do you think makes the final decision on the hire? Loomis alone? Loomis and Mrs. Benson? I'd say the only three with the real decision making would be Loomis, Lauscha, and Benson. The owner has to have the final say, however.

02-07-2022, 12:54 PM	#334
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna I respectfully disagree with the positions each of you has taken on the discussion, but your perspective is your perspective and I’m not here to try and change that. They’ve always said we live in two different Americas and the fact we can live in the same country and view it so differently and have such disproportionately different outcomes in mass is a testament to that notion. I bow out of the conversation on the premise that there is not enough common ground to be found for us to come to an agreement. Again, respectfully. I'm down with this. But let's not forget our differing perspectives ARE what make this a great place to live. We may not agree on everything but we can learn from each other! Boston Saint likes this.

02-07-2022, 01:28 PM	#335
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint That’s kind of the point though. I remember when there were no black QBs. That is not the case now and being black won’t hold a QB back at all now if he can play. That happened naturally through acceptance, not because the league tried to force black QBs onto teams through rules the way they are doing now and have been since the Rooney rule. In this case the coach is complaining because a team asked him in to meet a requirement. It sounds like he was fired in Miami for not tanking games rather than his race. Why would he have been hired in Miami at all if the organization is racist? The league hasn't accepted the fact that Black Coaches can coach? or they haven't accepted the fact like just like the sport Coaching would be majority persons of color if/once "It's Accepted" THATS RACISM in a nutshell. We know they can but can't accept what comes with that "A MAJORITY BLACK NFL PLAYERS AND COACHES"

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02-07-2022, 01:45 PM	#336
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Rell&Gold The league hasn't accepted the fact that Black Coaches can coach? or they haven't accepted the fact like just like the sport Coaching would be majority persons of color if/once "It's Accepted" THATS RACISM in a nutshell. We know they can but can't accept what comes with that "A MAJORITY BLACK NFL PLAYERS AND COACHES" Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying. He’s saying the league is afraid that if they accept the fact that Black coaches are equally yoked to be head coaches and are provided the opportunity without any bias whatsoever the coaching numbers would become just as lopsided as the player make up. He’s basically saying the majority of coaches would be Black and the NFL isn’t willing to let that happen, which he says is racism in a nutshell. “We will make concessions to your community but we will never truly empower your community in such a manner that threatens the status quo.” Hope that helps.
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02-07-2022, 03:16 PM	#338
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,661	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying. He's saying that the league is racist and they don't want black coaches because most of the coaches would be black and the league doesn't want that. Or something....

02-07-2022, 03:18 PM	#339
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna I respectfully disagree with the positions each of you has taken on the discussion, but your perspective is your perspective and I’m not here to try and change that. They’ve always said we live in two different Americas and the fact we can live in the same country and view it so differently and have such disproportionately different outcomes in mass is a testament to that notion. I bow out of the conversation on the premise that there is not enough common ground to be found for us to come to an agreement. Again, respectfully. It's all good Rez.